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(November 2013)

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NG
noggin Founding member
DTV posted:

Highlights how poor the screens are in the main studio compared to this much more effective CSO effort.

CSO? If it's in B they are real screens.

Indeed - it highlights the quality of the screens in studio B - which is somewhat to be expected from what I guess is a more flagship studio.

Though you'd think in that case they'd have a better solution for the main studio where the three screen option just looks nasty TBH.

There are three options for large screens:
1) LED - as used for the background screens in B/C, but not usable for close ups due to the size of pixels
2) Large TVs - as they used, but have a couple of gaps
3) Projection cubes or borderless TVs - as used in N6 / TC7, but have lots of lines and colour issues

For what they use the catwalks in B/C/E for, the big TVs were and are still the best option.


And indeed the BBC have been rather indecisive and used all three in Studio B.


Less a case of indecision, more a case of using the right technology for the job and having multiple jobs to do.

Plasma (and to a lesser degree LCD - both LED backlit and CCFL backlit) screens are a good technology for 'screen presentation' where you want a presenter stood next to a relatively human-scale screen, and want to shoot it cleanly and clearly in HD. It also allows talent to stand quite close to the screen, which makes interaction work well.

LED matrix solutions are a good technology when you want a big 'wall' of video for a big wide shot, but don't want to shoot the information in the wall in close-up (when it will go pixelly). You need enough distance (and a shallow enough depth of field) to diffuse the LED matrix if it appears in closer shots to avoid moire/pixels being too annoying.

Projection cubes are, to a degree, a compromise of the two - you get higher resolution than LED, but less continuous area than a large plasma. They do give you more lighting issues, as you need to ensure you keep as much light as possible off the projection screen to avoid them washing out. This is far less of an issue with LED matrix and plasma solutions. (If you remember the old news Barco sets, the weather presenter was a long way forward of the screen for this reason)

There is also the option of stitched projection (as used by BBC Sport in their last TVC studio, and also used by Tagesschau in their studio I believe, and also use at the Eurovision Song Contest in Malmö to avoid pixels that the usual LED matrix tech has issues with on close-ups) This avoids the obvious 'joins' that you get with projection cubes, and can look stunning. Again, though, you need to keep light off the screens to avoid them washing out. Front projection (as used by the old BBC Sport set) can work really well if you don't need presentation positions in front of the screens, as it can be brighter and sharper than rear projection.
RK
Rkolsen
Quick question: Why is there a Reuters watermark on a screen capture from BBC News on their own twitter account?





Also: When the BBC gets a screen grab for online does the bar that covers the ticker automatically appear or does the editor have to run it through something?
NG
noggin Founding member
Quick question: Why is there a Reuters watermark on a screen capture from BBC News on their own twitter account?





Also: When the BBC gets a screen grab for online does the bar that covers the ticker automatically appear or does the editor have to run it through something?


Could be that the pictures the BBC are showing had come via Reuters ?
NG
noggin Founding member
Quick question: Why is there a Reuters watermark on a screen capture from BBC News on their own twitter account?





Also: When the BBC gets a screen grab for online does the bar that covers the ticker automatically appear or does the editor have to run it through something?


I believe that there is a separate output available from the main galleries with a different Viz engine overlaid that doesn't carry a clock or ticker. The same core data drives multiple graphics engines keyed over the same output - but with different combinations of station logo, clock and ticker. (So BBC One get a feed with no ticker and no clock, BBC News Channel get a BBC News logo, ticker and clock, BBC World News get a BBC World News logo and ticker but no clock, and there's a 4th feed available as above).

Of course it may be that there is an alternate route to generate these screen grabs though.
EL
elmarko
The Reuters is the credit for the photo, as displayed on online images. It wasn't on the TV output.

Check any photo on BBC News website for similar credits.
RK
Rkolsen
Quick question: Why is there a Reuters watermark on a screen capture from BBC News on their own twitter account?


Also: When the BBC gets a screen grab for online does the bar that covers the ticker automatically appear or does the editor have to run it through something?


Could be that the pictures the BBC are showing had come via Reuters ?


I would think that they'd have a credit strap saying it was from Reuters. The fact that it's on top of the graphic made me wonder.
DO
dosxuk
They probably did, just not at the point that image was captured. As others have said, that style of credit is used for every image on the website, so it would almost certainly be there even if a tv style credit was also included.
DE
deejay
The website credits all photos bought in. Reuters pictures don't need a credit when shown on TV, as its not required as part of the deal the BBC has in place with them. Same with various other picture agencies like APTN (Associated Press Television News) and EVN (Eurovision News)
SP
Steve in Pudsey
I was surprised to see footage of the Queen's coronation* in Nick Witchell's package on Breakfast credited as ITN Source.

Easier to get it from there then the BBC archives, thanks to the unique way the BBC is funded?

* I think. I was half asleep at the time
TC
TonyCurrie
The BBC footage of the Coronation is all monochrome telerecording. The pictures in Nicholas Witchell's package were in colour and therefore sourced from contemporary newsfilm sources.
bilky asko and Steve in Pudsey gave kudos
AN
Andrew Founding member
Be grateful they didn't just take a low quality clip from YouTube and use that instead.
London Lite and Steve in Pudsey gave kudos
SP
Steve in Pudsey
That explains it - thanks Tony

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