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The 'Victoria Derbyshire' Programme

Victoria Derbyshire's new daytime show... (January 2015)

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cityprod
It's the same skill though, in fact its probably easier on TV as there's more support and there's pictures to talk to.


Not sure about that. Radio is more forgiving of dead air than TV, and with radio you don't have to worry about what you look like or where you are looking, and can be waving your arms all over the place to get attention, be given lots of last minute copy, be franticlly leafing through scripts/copy without the audience knowing etc.

I think it will be interesting to see how this pans out - and what Victoria's role is - and whether there is a supporting team of news, sport and business presenters? And where the show comes from? And how it sits in the channel schedule etc.


What a load of absolute rubbish!

Radio is not more forgiving of dead air than TV. I should know, I present radio. Dead air aka silence on radio, is regarded as a cardinal sin. You just don't do it. At least with television, you have pictures that go along with the silence.

During a show, a presenter is mostly focused on what they're saying or doing on the air. A producer may talk to them in their headphones on occasion to let them know about breaking news, or they might send them a message on their computer. Most scripts and copy now are on computer rather than paper.

Overall, a radio studio atmosphere is a lot calmer than the equivalent atmosphere in a TV studio, and Victoria has been getting used to having more voices in her ear than she had in radio.


If you compare like with like, Noggin isn't talking "absolute rubbish".

When in-vision, TV is hardly forgiving with dead air. On radio, especially if you're twiddling the knobs, you can anticipate dead air and fill it easily. As Noggin says, it's hard to tell if a presenter filling or not.


Anticipate dead air?????????????????

Tell me, when were you last in a radio studio when dead air happened unexpectedly?

Me? It was yesterday, when a piece of music didn't play immediately and I had to fill a few seconds. Hey, things like this happen occasionally

Also, you have to remember that on her 5 Live radio show, she wasn't at the controls, a separate producer was controlling the board. Also, she would have had the producer in her headphones from time to time. So she wil be familiar with having a voice in her ear.

But honestly, anticipate dead air? Dead air happens when something goes wrong that you can't anticipate, like a radio link going down without warning, or a computer deciding to either not play a piece of audio or take some time to start playing it.
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bilky asko
Anticipate dead air?????????????????

Tell me, when were you last in a radio studio when dead air happened unexpectedly?

Me? It was yesterday, when a piece of music didn't play immediately and I had to fill a few seconds. Hey, things like this happen occasionally

Also, you have to remember that on her 5 Live radio show, she wasn't at the controls, a separate producer was controlling the board. Also, she would have had the producer in her headphones from time to time. So she wil be familiar with having a voice in her ear.

But honestly, anticipate dead air? Dead air happens when something goes wrong that you can't anticipate, like a radio link going down without warning, or a computer deciding to either not play a piece of audio or take some time to start playing it.


Dead air can happen for various reasons, not just because of a technical problem (many of which you can be in some way prepared for). In any case, I was making the point that it is far easier to fill the dead air on radio seamlessly, and could therefore be seen as more forgiving in that regard. This applies whether or not a producer is in technical control or not.

Whilst not wanting to go into a lengthy discussion on definitions of words, there is more than one sense of the word "anticipate". You took the wrong one.
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flaziola
This program sounds like it's going to be BBC's version of RTÉ's Morning Edition. A breakfast program trying not to thread on the toes of the networks main breakfast program. ('Breakfast' in the case of BBC, 'Morning Ireland' in the case of RTÉ) Look how well that program is doing. Rolling Eyes
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Cando
This program sounds like it's going to be BBC's version of RTÉ's Morning Edition. A breakfast program trying not to thread on the toes of the networks main breakfast program. ('Breakfast' in the case of BBC, 'Morning Ireland' in the case of RTÉ) Look how well that program is doing. Rolling Eyes

Nonsense comparison as there was very little in depth interviewing or breaking news on Morning Edition. Full off rubbish consumer items, reviews and dull magazine pieces which went on forever. Oh and another paper review.
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lxflyer
Cando posted:
This program sounds like it's going to be BBC's version of RTÉ's Morning Edition. A breakfast program trying not to thread on the toes of the networks main breakfast program. ('Breakfast' in the case of BBC, 'Morning Ireland' in the case of RTÉ) Look how well that program is doing. Rolling Eyes

Nonsense comparison as there was very little in depth interviewing or breaking news on Morning Edition. Full off rubbish consumer items, reviews and dull magazine pieces which went on forever. Oh and another paper review.


I think you're being VERY harsh on Morning Edition - I don't think it was "full of rubbish" or "dull", but rather it was broadcast two hours too late and a victim of cost reduction programmes that were necessary.
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Joshua
If flaziola is referring to the ratings of Morning Edition, they've brought up something very interesting in terms of how well the BBC expect Victoria's show to do.

Its being billed as a massive show, so expectations must be quite high, I'd assume. But the reality is, this programme is breaking into a crowded market. BBC One has a brilliant daytime share with largely recorded programming, ITV does alright too - from Lorraine, to Jeremy Kyle, and followed by This Morning. Given that Victoria's show is also on the NC, its then also competing with Sky News, and as some have said, if people want straightforward news, they've got Colin & Jayne's bulletin - which has a brilliant atmosphere about it thanks to that duo, I think.

I doubt Victoria's show will take away ITV viewers, given the demographic Jeremy Kyle and This Morning goes for (i.e. not hard news and debates). So if this programme takes viewers away from BBC One, will top brass there be happy? I doubt it.

All in all, this show might not set the world alight as much as the BBC are hoping.
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A former member
Its being billed as a massive show

Really??

I think people are getting a bit too excited about it.
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Davidjb Founding member
I really don't like the sound of all this. Why in the digital age we still get simulcast's seems pointless. I know someone will say it saves money but if we can only fill channel airtime by simulcasting everything then what's the point in having all these channels in the first place? Effectively BBC News is being simulcast on BBC One & Two at varying times for nearly half a day when this happens. I swear we are slowly seeing the demise of the News Channel which I think would be a great shame.
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London Lite Founding member
I really don't like the sound of all this. Why in the digital age we still get simulcast's seems pointless. I know someone will say it saves money but if we can only fill channel airtime by simulcasting everything then what's the point in having all these channels in the first place? Effectively BBC News is being simulcast on BBC One & Two at varying times for nearly half a day when this happens. I swear we are slowly seeing the demise of the News Channel which I think would be a great shame.


Despite having all of these channels, the Derbyshire show will get a higher ratings share by being simulcast on BBC Two which is at the top of EPG's, than BBC News which is lower down and a niche channel in comparison.

However I agree with you about the slow erosion of the NC, especially in time slots when it should be providing a rolling news service without the fluff and padding.
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Gareth E
If budget buts are needed to meet DQF requirements, I'd much rather see the News Channel simulcast World from 1830 to 2200 rather than sacrifice proper rolling news in the mornings.

Saying that, there's way too much we don't know about the Victoria Derbyshire programme to pass judgement.
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eanok
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In any case, this is probably the quietest part of the daytime for breaking news (far more press conferences etc in the afternoon, especially once the US is awake).


Not sure about it. AFAIK, a lot of press conferences, usaually scheduled, take place in mid-morning in the hope of becoming a headline later in the lunchtime bulletin. And it's very stressful for reporters at this time of the day if they're told to make a package broadcast at lunchtime - as they've only got 1-2 hours to collect all the information and put together a decent story while in the afternoon they have more time to meet the evening deadline.
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Joshua
Its being billed as a massive show

Really??

I think people are getting a bit too excited about it.


Oh, I agree. I'm personally not billing it as a massive show, however from what we've heard from the BBC and varying employee's including Victoria herself on Twitter, it does seem to be billed as a flagship show.

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