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The 'Victoria Derbyshire' Programme

Victoria Derbyshire's new daytime show... (January 2015)

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The SNT Three
I'm expecting a hybrid of appointment to view and rolling news coverage - which, as people have pointed out, is a strength of Derbyshire given that she's had the mid-morning slot on Five Live for a fair while. Yes, she's been a radio journalist and is moving over to TV, and yes, that is a big change but the bosses of the BBC know what they're doing - plus, it's highly likely they've screen tested her before.

Making reference to The Wright Stuff is frankly ridiculous. The BBC are not going to want to imitate a "tabloid skewed topical discussion show", and if they do then they will know they have failed. She's presented her radio show as well as other political programming, Newsnight on occasions, even sports shows and has done a fair bit of broadcasting from abroad. I just don't see how she isn't a good fit for the NC. All in all, I don't see this as a bad means of spicing up the BBC News Channel a bit. I am sure that business news and sports news will remain, and they're hardly going to throw in the towel with rolling news. In any case, this is probably the quietest part of the daytime for breaking news (far more press conferences etc in the afternoon, especially once the US is awake).

I hope/am sure that there is a space for Simon McCoy somewhere though, and that he's not relegated to presenting updates. Does he have a co-presenter or is this slot solo now?
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noggin Founding member
London Lite posted:

I'm defending the right to debate the fact that the NC is in effect losing two and half hours of rolling news and padding it with an ex 5 Live presenter who refused to move to Salford and is being rewarded with a talk show which would be fine on BBC Two and not filling the cracks in the NC's budget.

I think you are reading the budget thing backwards. BBC Two no longer commissions significant content for daytime - it's all repeats or low cost filler (like extended sport coverage). The Victoria Derbyshire thing may technically be a BBC Two commission (though not sure it's the first as the press release states - wasn't Weekend 24 one back in the early days?) but I doubt it is getting a huge amount of cash from the channel (though talent costs may be helped by it?)

I think it is more a case that BBC Two are getting a cheap original show to fill some air time - not that they are subsidising News Channel output hugely.
LL
London Lite Founding member
noggin posted:
London Lite posted:

I'm defending the right to debate the fact that the NC is in effect losing two and half hours of rolling news and padding it with an ex 5 Live presenter who refused to move to Salford and is being rewarded with a talk show which would be fine on BBC Two and not filling the cracks in the NC's budget.

I think you are reading the budget thing backwards. BBC Two no longer commissions significant content for daytime - it's all repeats or low cost filler (like extended sport coverage). The Victoria Derbyshire thing may technically be a BBC Two commission (though not sure it's the first as the press release states - wasn't Weekend 24 one back in the early days?) but I doubt it is getting a huge amount of cash from the channel (though talent costs may be helped by it?)

I think it is more a case that BBC Two are getting a cheap original show to fill some air time - not that they are subsidising News Channel output hugely.


I'm well aware of BBC Two's status since DQF which has led to some sensible scheduling of classic comedy and drama, alongside some filler NC/World commissions and other repeats from the archives.

I don't have a problem with the format being on BBC Two, which fills in a gap between Breakfast and the current NC simulcast at 11 which gives an alternative to the output on BBC One. It's the degrading of the current NC output in the morning, alongside a marmite presenter who polarised her audience on 5 Live from a channel which has been a credible alternative to Sky News.

If VD was only on BBC Two, to be honest I wouldn't care much bar the eventual presentation of the show.
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Inspector Sands
noggin posted:
Not sure about that. Radio is more forgiving of dead air than TV

In what way? On radio someone has to keep talking, on TV the presenter can if need be let the pictures and natsound run by themselves. Think of when someone leaves court and speaks to the press, the presenter on 5 Live has to pick up straight away after it finishes, on TV they can show them walking to the car and driving off. Radio also requires presenters to describe what they're seeing, think of Simon Mayo back on 11/9/01 having to describe what was happening to his audience

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and with radio you don't have to worry about what you look like or where you are looking, and can be waving your arms all over the place to get attention, be given lots of last minute copy, be franticlly leafing through scripts/copy without the audience knowing etc.

That is true, though less so in this world of studio cameras
IS
Inspector Sands
London Lite posted:
Inspector Sands posted:

Anyway, what did she do, run over your cat or something?


Nope. I'm defending the right to debate the fact that the NC is in effect losing two and half hours of rolling news and padding

What's your interest though, it's obviously much more than you just like rolling news. Did she reverse over the cat too? Wink

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In any case, there's a semi decent tabloid skewed topical discussion show which has been going for over 15 years, The Wright Stuff on Channel 5.

So there's obviously an audience for topical discussion. Therefore if that's what the BBC are going to do in that slot (and as has been said this thread is mostly speculation) it might well do well
LL
London Lite Founding member
Victoria Derbyshire quote from Radio Today's website.

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"I hope this programme will combine the informality of radio with the sense of drama often only TV news can bring. We’re going to experiment with innovative ways of telling original stories, and give our audience a genuine opportunity to be at the heart of a TV news programme. I’m so pleased we’re launching just before the election when we’ll bring voters and politicians together in our big audience debates.”


http://radiotoday.co.uk/2015/01/victoria-derbyshire-wants-radio-show-on-tv/
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bilky asko
cityprod posted:
noggin posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
It's the same skill though, in fact its probably easier on TV as there's more support and there's pictures to talk to.


Not sure about that. Radio is more forgiving of dead air than TV, and with radio you don't have to worry about what you look like or where you are looking, and can be waving your arms all over the place to get attention, be given lots of last minute copy, be franticlly leafing through scripts/copy without the audience knowing etc.

I think it will be interesting to see how this pans out - and what Victoria's role is - and whether there is a supporting team of news, sport and business presenters? And where the show comes from? And how it sits in the channel schedule etc.


What a load of absolute rubbish!

Radio is not more forgiving of dead air than TV. I should know, I present radio. Dead air aka silence on radio, is regarded as a cardinal sin. You just don't do it. At least with television, you have pictures that go along with the silence.

During a show, a presenter is mostly focused on what they're saying or doing on the air. A producer may talk to them in their headphones on occasion to let them know about breaking news, or they might send them a message on their computer. Most scripts and copy now are on computer rather than paper.

Overall, a radio studio atmosphere is a lot calmer than the equivalent atmosphere in a TV studio, and Victoria has been getting used to having more voices in her ear than she had in radio.


If you compare like with like, Noggin isn't talking "absolute rubbish".

When in-vision, TV is hardly forgiving with dead air. On radio, especially if you're twiddling the knobs, you can anticipate dead air and fill it easily. As Noggin says, it's hard to tell if a presenter filling or not.
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DAN09690
The SNT Three posted:

I hope/am sure that there is a space for Simon McCoy somewhere though, and that he's not relegated to presenting updates. Does he have a co-presenter or is this slot solo now?

McCoy does indeed currently have a co-presenter, Annita McVeigh.
SP
Spectacular1
What a load of rubbish! Keep it on BBC Two!
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News96
I'm expecting the Newswatch brigade to be out in force the week the show starts-and frankly i can't see this lasting 6 months.
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Inspector Sands
Blimey, I've never seen such a shower of whinging nay-sayers!

Why not wait till you've seen it?
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Brekkie
It does seem the wrong time for this sort of show (would be better at 7pm IMO) but it is billed as more of a breaking news show than a news discussion show, although all the "digital first" bollocks just comes across as using videophone content from viewers rather than sending reporters out to the stories.

I've no really opinion on Victoria Derbyshire but always possible the show could end up more like Live with Alastair Stewart which served the duel purpose of being a place for breaking news and interviews, though with a presenter we all respect. I suspect had the show been announced with Simon McCoy presenting it might get more positive feedback.

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