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Victoria Derbyshire's new daytime show... (January 2015)

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DT
DTV
mannewskev posted:
These days, are we not all used to presenter-branded programmes that sometimes have stand in presenters?


Not really on British TV and especially not on BBC TV but again there's adifference - the programme doesn't sometimes have stand ins, it has one for 1 in 5 editions. BBC presenter-branded programmes tend to be like GMT with George Alagiah which is shortened to GMT when he doesn't present, they should've gone down that route.

Inspector Sands posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Apologies, hadn't realised she doesn't do Fridays. The name is ridiculous in that case. Almost needs a "John Craven's Newsround" style title, which becomes "Newsround" if JC is off.

At least they don't do the American thing of having a dramatic voiceover: ' Now the Victoria Derbyshire show, starring Victoria Derbyshire. Now heeeeere's your host Victoria Debryshire!! ..... today's host is Joanna Gosling'


Although they have had Victoria Derbyshire with Joanna Gosling/Naga Munchetty on the screen in the studio which does seem a little odd.

HenryL96 posted:
How is it any different to Lorraine on ITV in that case?

It's not but then I'd argue that Lorraine is a bad title if she isn't doing 1 in 5 episodes.
MA
mannewskev
DTV posted:
mannewskev posted:
These days, are we not all used to presenter-branded programmes that sometimes have stand in presenters?


Not really on British TV and especially not on BBC TV but again there's adifference - the programme doesn't sometimes have stand ins, it has one for 1 in 5 editions. BBC presenter-branded programmes tend to be like GMT with George Alagiah which is shortened to GMT when he doesn't present, they should've gone down that route.


Why should they? I'd argue these days we're more than used to presenter-branded programmes that sometimes have stand in presenters, be it on TV or radio. Examples from the last decade: Lorraine, Richard and Judy, The Chris Moyles Show and so on. It's not a big deal anymore. (If it ever was.) Also, if someone stands in for one day a week, they're still a stand in, surely?
LL
London Lite Founding member
The name brand may make sense if the show's format did. The latter doesn't.
MA
mannewskev
London Lite posted:
The name brand may make sense if the show's format did. The latter doesn't.


That's conjecture though, and in any case, I don't think a programme's format affects whether or not its title makes sense, or vice versa.
LL
London Lite Founding member
mannewskev posted:
London Lite posted:
The name brand may make sense if the show's format did. The latter doesn't.


That's conjecture though, and in any case, I don't think a programme's format affects whether or not its title makes sense, or vice versa.


The point is that it's a weak programme with a poor brand name which doesn't give a clear proposition to the viewer. Not that the BBC even put any effort into marketing the nonsensical bulletin. It's purely internal politics that Derbyshire got commissioned in it's current form.

With the NC showing sport from 0600-0830, Biz Live and then Derbyshire's hybrid news/human interest show next week, any resemblance of rolling news doesn't start until 1100.
MA
mannewskev
London Lite posted:
mannewskev posted:
London Lite posted:
The name brand may make sense if the show's format did. The latter doesn't.


That's conjecture though, and in any case, I don't think a programme's format affects whether or not its title makes sense, or vice versa.


The point is that it's a weak programme with a poor brand name which doesn't give a clear proposition to the viewer. Not that the BBC even put any effort into marketing the nonsensical bulletin. It's purely internal politics that Derbyshire got commissioned in it's current form.

With the NC showing sport from 0600-0830, Biz Live and then Derbyshire's hybrid news/human interest show next week, any resemblance of rolling news doesn't start until 1100.


That's nothing to do with the specific point I'm discussing though, that these days we're more than used to presenter-branded programmes that sometimes have stand in presenters.
LL
London Lite Founding member
mannewskev posted:
London Lite posted:
mannewskev posted:

That's conjecture though, and in any case, I don't think a programme's format affects whether or not its title makes sense, or vice versa.


The point is that it's a weak programme with a poor brand name which doesn't give a clear proposition to the viewer. Not that the BBC even put any effort into marketing the nonsensical bulletin. It's purely internal politics that Derbyshire got commissioned in it's current form.

With the NC showing sport from 0600-0830, Biz Live and then Derbyshire's hybrid news/human interest show next week, any resemblance of rolling news doesn't start until 1100.


That's nothing to do with the specific point I'm discussing though, that these days we're more than used to presenter-branded programmes that sometimes have stand in presenters.


Yet, still not as strong as in America where the named show has been a staplemate for decades. In the case of Derbyshire, the ratings are so small that any of the BBC's identikit newsreaders can fill in and bar rota fans, is insignificant to the average viewer.

Victoria Derbyshire as a brand was stronger on Radio 5 Live.
RA
radiolistener
London Lite posted:
mannewskev posted:
London Lite posted:

The point is that it's a weak programme with a poor brand name which doesn't give a clear proposition to the viewer. Not that the BBC even put any effort into marketing the nonsensical bulletin. It's purely internal politics that Derbyshire got commissioned in it's current form.

With the NC showing sport from 0600-0830, Biz Live and then Derbyshire's hybrid news/human interest show next week, any resemblance of rolling news doesn't start until 1100.


That's nothing to do with the specific point I'm discussing though, that these days we're more than used to presenter-branded programmes that sometimes have stand in presenters.


Yet, still not as strong as in America where the named show has been a staplemate for decades. In the case of Derbyshire, the ratings are so small that any of the BBC's identikit newsreaders can fill in and bar rota fans, is insignificant to the average viewer.

Victoria Derbyshire as a brand was stronger on Radio 5 Live.


Well yes, because it's all about the presenter on radio, on TV it's different.

Wogan on TV was different to Wogan on radio.
LS
Lou Scannon
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Apologies, hadn't realised she doesn't do Fridays. The name is ridiculous in that case. Almost needs a "John Craven's Newsround" style title, which becomes "Newsround" if JC is off.


This whole discussion just keeps making me think of "Not The Jack Docherty Show"...
RA
radiolistener
Austin Tatious posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Apologies, hadn't realised she doesn't do Fridays. The name is ridiculous in that case. Almost needs a "John Craven's Newsround" style title, which becomes "Newsround" if JC is off.


This whole discussion just keeps making me think of "Not The Jack Docherty Show"...


Victoria Derbyshire's Moanamiserython Live?

Without her - Moanamiserython Live.
JB
JasonB
I don't understand the necessary to keep a name branded show on all the time if your star of the show is going to be absent most of the time.
ST
Stuart
JasonB posted:
I don't understand the necessary to keep a name branded show on all the time if your star of the show is going to be absent most of the time.

Marr stayed as the name of his programme, despite him being absent for a year following his stroke. It also continued during regular absences while he was working on other programmes.


I don't have an issue with programmes labelled as 'The X X Programme/Show' as long as the named presenter is there most of the time. It's a brand which tells you about the nature/concept of the programme.

What I have always intensely disliked is programmes called " Ordinary Name with X". C5 did this when they first poached Kaplinsky from the BBC: they styled their news programmes 'five news with Natasha Kaplinsky', which was so Americanised it made me want to heave into a bucket.

I really expected her to announce stories using unnecessarily emphatic hyperbole, but fortunately the comparison with US news channels didn't extend that far.

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