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BF
BFGArmy
Also I do wonder why it’s just Emily of the Newsnight team being so publicly hung out to dry. Presumably the content or gist of it was discussed before Newsnight went on air including with those high up on the programme so if the BBC see the programme as breaking the guidelines why is Emily bearing the brunt of it? Or are the Beeb suggesting Emily went rogue and just decided to say she had at the beginning on a whim with no prior warning?
BF
BFGArmy
Cando posted:
Is this the same Owen Jones who accused Newsnight of being right wing and doctoring a photo of Corbyn to look communist......
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jeremy-corbyn-newsnight-denies-photo-photoshopped-a8262351.html


Oh trust me a very large chunk of the time I can’t stand Owen Jones and he’s one of the worst for being hysterical, partisan etc.

But on that particular point he’s spot on. Balance for the sake of balance benefits nobody.
JW
JamesWorldNews
Emily explaining her absence from Newsnight is the leading story on the BBC News website “Entertainment and Arts” section.

Entertainment and Arts?

I’ve often found that section of the website to be a receptacle for stories that don’t quite fit anywhere else. It’s hardly “entertainment”.

Mind you, the same story is positioned at Number 3 in the UK News section of the site.

(I’m viewing the International edition of bbc.com/news)
NE
neonemesis

Sorry but completely disagree with the bit in bold. As much as I am not a fan of the man, Owen Jones has it spot on when he says "For journalists if one person says it's raining outside and another says it isn't, it's not your job to report both sides, it's to find out what's true'.


This vastly oversimplifies the complexity of the world we live in. Most things that are worth reporting on are much more complicated than some binary view of true or false, right or wrong. Facts are complicated by opinions, which are complicated by judgements, which are complicated by experiences or world views.

For example, reporting on whether it is raining or not isn't interesting. Discussing how wet someone is getting and the point at which an umbrella should be provided doesn't have a binary answer, there is no fact to establish.
BR
Brekkie
This is online but the current headline is 'Vast Majority' will obey self-isolation order .

Yes it is in quote marks but the implication is that comes from some sort of poll where actually is is simply a quote from the Health Secretary. It's a headline that takes a statement from a government known to lie as fact and all they need to do to correct it is add the words "says Health Secretary" to clarify it.
JO
johnnyboy Founding member

The BBC must be impartial and present what it knows without bias. When a contributor gives his/her point of view, someone with an opposing opinion should be given equal airtime. News presenters should be ruthless and clinical with both sides. It's then up to the viewer to make his or her mind up.

I love newspapers as much as the next person although I am aware that they are trying to spoon-feed me their point of view.

The BBC and other broadcast media should just give me what is known and what is proveable so that I can come to my own conclusion. Emily's monologue at the start failed that test badly.
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Sorry but completely disagree with the bit in bold. As much as I am not a fan of the man, Owen Jones has it spot on when he says "For journalists if one person says it's raining outside and another says it isn't, it's not your job to report both sides, it's to find out what's true'.
The natural endpoint for your argument though it's extreme is if that if you're discussing something like racism or LGBT rights if you have somebody on who's anti-racism or supports LGBT rights you then have to follow up with somebody who's pro-racism or homophobic which would be a ridiculous situation. Or the situation the BBC has with climate change where you have climate change deniers being given airtime and their arguments treated as if they're as credible as scientists. There doesn't need to be 'two sides' to every story.

And I do wonder what the point is of political coverage and political journalists if all they were to do was just to quote any old rubbish the political parties say without any analysis or context. A huge part of the role of a political journalist is to explain the context and to explain to the viewer what the stories means politically.


My politics are right of centre financially and left of centre socially - that's why I find it so hard to find a party to support. There are ideas from all parties which appeal to me but others one I loathe. Owen Jones is a columnist whose view I completely agree with one day but have fundamental objections to when his next column appears.

Society has travelled a long way over the last 30-40 years. Not far enough in many cases, I agree, but the general views of the population now on sexism, racism, homophobia, etc are much more tolerant than in the past.

Part of that has been the exposure of people to what are now (in my opinion) considered extreme points of view. We've seen both sides of an argument in popular drama, in documentaries, and so on. As the lack of reason is some people's views are exposed, people's opinions shift.

If you get someone on claiming that homosexuality, for example, is the work of the devil or that all non-white people should be deported, they make themselves look ridiculous. Like the odious Nick Griffin on QT 10 years ago. The public voted with their feet and abandoned them at the ballot box.

They don't need a presenter to tell them otherwise. People can make up their own mind.

You'll always get some people who can't be reached but, as society has proven time and time again in recent decades, most of us are reasonable, fair, hate discrimination, and want equality of opportunity.

On your well-made point about political journalists quoting any old rubbish without analysis or context, I agree. Put a spokesperson up for HMG, put an opposing spokesperson up, and let people decide for themselves.

Anyway, ramble over. The points you are making are valid and we are both going in the same direction of travel here. We want the same outcome and we disagree on the way to get there.
CM
cmthwtv
I disagree with the argument that is “I am a (tory/labour) voter and I (agree/disagree).” When you vote, you aren’t assigning yourself with every single view and action the party make. It’s about whether it is morally correct or not.
JO
johnnyboy Founding member
I disagree with the argument that is “I am a (tory/labour) voter and I (agree/disagree).” When you vote, you aren’t assigning yourself with every single view and action the party make. It’s about whether it is morally correct or not.


That's true of most (you and I included) but we see on all sides of the political argument a high degree of tribalism - "my party right or wrong".

I follow with interest the Scottish independence debate and the degree of partisanship on both sides is mind-boggling. On Twitter, it's poisonous - reminds me of the pro- and anti-Corbyn camps.
JA
james-2001
The Scottish independence debate is easily as toxic as the brexit one (on both sides).

I get into that debate more than I probably should thanks to my boyfriend being from Dundee and very politically active. He had abuse shouted at him in the street when campaigning during the indyref.
AN
Andrew Founding member
Owen Jones is one of those people who comes across so smug I feel like disagreeing with him even if I agree with what he is saying on that occasion.

I do question what the point is for news channels to get on so obviously partisan commentators like him. What does he add to the discussion when you know whatever the topic what he will say. He will obviously disagree with every single word of a tory policy and support every single word of a labour policy. It's often so he can have an on screen row with an opposite number.

More neutral commentators who will discuss that day's topic independently of party politics would be better, although does this sort of person exist

I disagree with the argument that is “I am a (tory/labour) voter and I (agree/disagree).” When you vote, you aren’t assigning yourself with every single view and action the party make. It’s about whether it is morally correct or not.

The clearest example of that are those who keep saying why are tory voters clapping for carers when they voted against the NHS.

Unless it was a one topic referendum, tory voters weren't voting against the NHS. I'm sure the vast majority want the NHS to be well funded but disagreed with other policies the opposition came up with at the time.
JO
johnnyboy Founding member
The Scottish independence debate is easily as toxic as the brexit one (on both sides).

I get into that debate more than I probably should thanks to my boyfriend being from Dundee and very politically active. He had abuse shouted at him in the street when campaigning during the indyref.


Given what I have seen on Twitter, james-2001, he is a brave man.

I follow both pro- and anti-independence followers on Twitter. They rarely interact with each other because they occupy different bubbles but when they do clash, it's brutal.
JA
james-2001
The Scottish independence debate is easily as toxic as the brexit one (on both sides).

I get into that debate more than I probably should thanks to my boyfriend being from Dundee and very politically active. He had abuse shouted at him in the street when campaigning during the indyref.


Given what I have seen on Twitter, james-2001, he is a brave man.

I follow both pro- and anti-independence followers on Twitter. They rarely interact with each other because they occupy different bubbles but when they do clash, it's brutal.


He still keeps engaging them on Twitter and having arguments even though he knows he shouldn't, he says he can't help himself. It's an issue that really riles him up though, every other day he messages me with his anger at something Sturgeon has said or done or something he's seen an independence supporter say on social media. To be fair, we've had a few political arguments too, with him being Lib Dem and me being Labour.
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