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Meridian AM
The 1990 Christmas special is basically the first episode of series 7, but gets treated as a stand alone episode for some reason.


It isn't the most memorable episode comedy-wise and I think series 7 was when the show became more 'soapy' with more drama and pathos.
Last edited by Meridian AM on 28 December 2020 1:17am
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Jonwo
I haven't seen Only Fools in a long time but the running times for the specials are fairly lengthy. Miami Twice for example is 145 minutes combined for example I guess John Sullivan was allowed the freedom to write the special as long as he liked given how successful it was but I can't imagine it would happen nowadays.
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Steve Williams
That was Eric Morecambe's thinking with their Christmas shows as well. He didn't want much remotely Christmassy mentioned in the shows so that they could be repeated all year round, although they do still tend to be repeated mostly at Christmas anyway simply because of their legacy and association with Christmas.


Mike Yarwood, 1980: "I mustn't make the show too Christmassy in case it gets repeated in the summer. So only the opening titles will be festooned with tinsel!"

Andrew Sachs is dead and Prunella Scales has dementia so Fawlty Towers won’t come back now. Blackadder is the only classic sitcom with all principal players still alive that could conceivably return, but Back and Forth already did that and showed why they probably shouldn’t, especially now. Leave it as it is.


I wasn't actually suggesting they should revive Fawlty Towers. What I was responding to was the suggestion that Gavin and Stacey got 11 million viewers last year so the Beeb should just do more things like that, like it was the most obvious thing in the world. But what things like the Gavin and Stacey revival are there? You need to find another sitcom that everyone knows and likes and where a revival would be a guaranteed ratings smash. That would only be something enormous, like Fawlty Towers. Which isn't going to happen.

Yes, because Call the Midwife and Strictly is all about the young folk. Mrs Browns Boys has now had a special every year since 2011, twice each Christmas since 2012 and airing on Christmas Day since 2013. Ridiculous to guarantee them that slot for another 6 years - but wouldn't be ridiculous to force them back to doing a series or two instead. Indeed when you look back at the classics you'd often either get a series or a special, and doing it that way meant both a one-off or a new series actually felt somewhat special.


I find it very hard to believe that this new contract for Mrs Brown guarantees a Christmas Day slot, let alone the exact time on Christmas Day. They don't even guarantee the Premier League that Match of the Day will start at the exact time every Saturday.

Back in 2009, Victoria Wood complained that her Christmas special was on Christmas Eve when she made it with the expectation that it would go out on Christmas Day, but the Beeb chaged their mind. And that was Victoria Wood .
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Hatton Cross
That was Eric Morecambe's thinking with their Christmas shows as well. He didn't want much remotely Christmassy mentioned in the shows so that they could be repeated all year round, although they do still tend to be repeated mostly at Christmas anyway simply because of their legacy and association with Christmas.

Mike Yarwood, 1980: "I mustn't make the show too Christmassy in case it gets repeated in the summer. So only the opening titles will be festooned with tinsel!"


Indeed. And he probably said that off the back of the BBC repeating his 1978 Christmas Show, on election night 1979 in the 9pm dead zone whilst waiting for the polling stations to close.
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JKDerry
That was Eric Morecambe's thinking with their Christmas shows as well. He didn't want much remotely Christmassy mentioned in the shows so that they could be repeated all year round, although they do still tend to be repeated mostly at Christmas anyway simply because of their legacy and association with Christmas.

Mike Yarwood, 1980: "I mustn't make the show too Christmassy in case it gets repeated in the summer. So only the opening titles will be festooned with tinsel!"


Indeed. And he probably said that off the back of the BBC repeating his 1978 Christmas Show, on election night 1979 in the 9pm dead zone whilst waiting for the polling stations to close.

Eric Morecambe also said that if anyone wanted a Christmas Show filled to the brim with every Christmas tradition and trinkets then they can watch the Two Ronnies for that, according to his son Gary.
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JKDerry
The 1990 Christmas special is basically the first episode of series 7, but gets treated as a stand alone episode for some reason.


It isn't the most memorable episode comedy-wise and I think series 7 was when the show became more 'soapy' with more drama and pathos.

Series 7 was also the last proper regular series of Only Fools, with it only returning in Christmas Specials after 1991. I think John Sullivan felt the show had really done as much as they could in a regular series, and having specials helped to keep the show going, without using up material during the year.
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adamiow
Jonwo posted:
I haven't seen Only Fools in a long time but the running times for the specials are fairly lengthy. Miami Twice for example is 145 minutes combined for example I guess John Sullivan was allowed the freedom to write the special as long as he liked given how successful it was but I can't imagine it would happen nowadays.


You feel every minute of Miami Twice - it is a monster of an episode!
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PFML84
Somethings up with BBC TWO’s continuity tonight, everything’s half an hour ahead of what it should be.
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watchingtv
Somethings up with BBC TWO’s continuity tonight, everything’s half an hour ahead of what it should be.

It was fine at 8pm, intro into Only Connect mentioned Victoria.
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PFML84
On BBC TWO HD on 115 on Sky they mentioned that University Challenge was next (during the credits of Mastermind) when it was actually Only Connect and the introduction to University Challenge mentioned the programme starting was Two Doors Down.
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Ash101
Do you have BBC One HD on 101 then? As I have One HD on 115, but presumably because I’m in England and we have no regional HDs for 1.
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PFML84
Yes we have BBC ONE HD on 101 and we don’t have BBC TWO HD on satellite (the only nation they didn’t put on satellite funnily enough, it’s Freeview only) so we have to use 115 for TWO HD.

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