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TIGHazard


I did not see Outside Source, but I would imagine Ofcom would accept that it was broadcast on a news channel not aimed at children, there was a warning (although it was late), BBC News was taking the programme live and was technically not in control of the feed which was being produced by the World News team and the topic of the item was racist attacks against police.

News may not be explicitly exempt but I have certainly seen swearing in the House of Commons not being apologised for, and that was during PMQ's.

EDIT: It appears that Outside Source is not on iPlayer and the BBC News schedule doesn't actually list it as being aired, which is interesting.


As regards "the most offensive language" (whatever that is, but we think it includes the F word), not aimed at children is only relevant to radio as there is no watershed on radio and the rules there are about whether children are particularly likely to be in audience. On free-to-air television however, it is irrelevant as the mere fact it is before the watershed is against the Ofcom Broadcasting Code as there is a complete ban on "the most offensive language" before the watershed:



While I appreciate we're talking about the F-word not the N-word, in that GMB report last year Ofcom certainly accept "it's a news programme not aimed at children" as a valid excuse

Quote:


For the reasons outlined above, we considered the use of the word in full had the potential to be highly offensive and was therefore potentially unsuitable for children to hear broadcast before the watershed. We therefore considered whether there was strong enough context to justify the broadcast of this content before the watershed.

For all the reasons outlined above, we considered the discussion provided strong contextual justification for the use of the word in full. In particular, we took careful account of audience expectations of GMB, which as a news programme is not aimed at children, although we acknowledged this content was broadcast at a time when children could have been watching. We also considered, as outlined above, that GMB is a programme which regularly discusses challenging subjects and regular viewers were likely to be aware of this.





It doesn't matter if a broadcaster is not in control of a feed, as the responsibility for what is broadcast lies with them.



There's certainly exceptions, we just had this discussion last sunday on Super Bowl thread, with the BBC delaying their feed to avoid commercial references to Pepsi and the like, but Sky don't and broadcast sponsorship messages we don't allow in this country such as the commentary team telling us to drink it.

https://www.tvforum.co.uk/forums/post1289923#post-1289923

Whether that applies to news coverage, is unknown, maybe there is some CNN Domestic/International comparison someone can make.
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deejay
Special impeachment titles just used. Seems odd that this is the first time they’ve been used (I believe?) and they’re expecting it to be over tomorrow or Monday.


That starts off with the caption LIVE Capitol Hill in the top left, but I noticed much of the coverage in the past few days has had a special caption of the word "Senate", with no indicator of LIVE, used instead.


I think that’s because the feed BBC World News has been taking (I think I’ve seen NBC captions on it?) has included regular (and frequent) replays of non-live material. So while it’s a live feed into the BBC, it’s not necessarily live proceedings from the Senate that’s being shown. Hence the locator.
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Universal_r
Special impeachment titles just used. Seems odd that this is the first time they’ve been used (I believe?) and they’re expecting it to be over tomorrow or Monday.


That starts off with the caption LIVE Capitol Hill in the top left, but I noticed much of the coverage in the past few days has had a special caption of the word "Senate", with no indicator of LIVE, used instead.


I think that’s because the feed BBC World News has been taking (I think I’ve seen NBC captions on it?) has included regular (and frequent) replays of non-live material. So while it’s a live feed into the BBC, it’s not necessarily live proceedings from the Senate that’s being shown. Hence the locator.

It’s also the same one used on WNA they don’t usually use the live one they usually use the one that’s being used for the US senate.
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deejay

That starts off with the caption LIVE Capitol Hill in the top left, but I noticed much of the coverage in the past few days has had a special caption of the word "Senate", with no indicator of LIVE, used instead.


I think that’s because the feed BBC World News has been taking (I think I’ve seen NBC captions on it?) has included regular (and frequent) replays of non-live material. So while it’s a live feed into the BBC, it’s not necessarily live proceedings from the Senate that’s being shown. Hence the locator.

It’s also the same one used on WNA they don’t usually use the live one they usually use the one that’s being used for the US senate.

World News America don’t use live locators at all (or at least shouldn’t ) because it’s time shifted by several affiliates in the US.
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Universal_r
Bbc world and news channel unusually simulcasting from 3pm because of the impeachment trial I assume?
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JF World News
Bbc world and news channel unusually simulcasting from 3pm because of the impeachment trial I assume?


Yes, this is standard practice for these kind of events,
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Matthew_Fieldhouse
Bbc world and news channel unusually simulcasting from 3pm because of the impeachment trial I assume?

Yes, Shaun Ley mentioned it earlier
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TVNewsviewer
I am now confused as I think my post of a few moments ago got removed.



While I appreciate we're talking about the F-word not the N-word , in that GMB report last year Ofcom certainly accept "it's a news programme not aimed at children" as a valid excuse



The short version is the part I've highlighted from what you've said is the entire point, because the N-word is considered (in the rules as they were) to be highly offensive language and therefore can be justified by the context, but the F-word is considered among the most offensive where the rule, a complete ban, is entirely different.

[Edited to remove incorrect claim that BBC World not regulated by Ofcom, when it is (in respect of European Convention countries).]
Last edited by TVNewsviewer on 13 February 2021 10:41pm - 2 times in total
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TheMike
I am now confused as I think my post of a few moments ago got removed.



While I appreciate we're talking about the F-word not the N-word , in that GMB report last year Ofcom certainly accept "it's a news programme not aimed at children" as a valid excuse



The short version is the part I've highlighted from what you've said is the entire point, because the N-word is considered (in the rules as they were) to be highly offensive language and therefore can be justified by the context, but the F-word is considered among the most offensive where the rule, a complete ban, is entirely different.
We can't keep going round this as this thread relates to BBC World News which is not regulated by Ofcom. Therefore, a quick reply to, hopefully, put the issue to bed on this thread and move on.


Ofcom does regulate BBC World News
http://static.ofcom.org.uk/static/radiolicensing/html/tv/cs/tlcs000306ba1bbcworldnews.htm

In accordance with the Christmas Eve Brexit deal, an Ofcom licence is still valid for countries that have signed up to the European Convention for Transfrontier Television. A separate licence will be needed for countries not signatory, including Ireland, Netherlands etc, so that's why BBC World News also has a separate licence in Luxembourg.
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TVNewsviewer
I am now confused as I think my post of a few moments ago got removed.



While I appreciate we're talking about the F-word not the N-word , in that GMB report last year Ofcom certainly accept "it's a news programme not aimed at children" as a valid excuse



The short version is the part I've highlighted from what you've said is the entire point, because the N-word is considered (in the rules as they were) to be highly offensive language and therefore can be justified by the context, but the F-word is considered among the most offensive where the rule, a complete ban, is entirely different.
We can't keep going round this as this thread relates to BBC World News which is not regulated by Ofcom. Therefore, a quick reply to, hopefully, put the issue to bed on this thread and move on.


Ofcom does regulate BBC World News
http://static.ofcom.org.uk/static/radiolicensing/html/tv/cs/tlcs000306ba1bbcworldnews.htm

In accordance with the Christmas Eve Brexit deal, an Ofcom licence is still valid for countries that have signed up to the European Convention for Transfrontier Television. A separate licence will be needed for countries not signatory, including Ireland, Netherlands etc, so that's why BBC World News also has a separate licence in Luxembourg.


That'll teach me not to dabble in areas I don't know for sure! With mentions of BBC World, BBC World News and BBC World television, I thought the page I saw on the internet said BBC World. It have checked again and it actually says BBC World Service is not regulated by Ofcom. (I could even have out of date information there.) So I understand that BBC World Service, which is radio, isn't covered by Ofcom (I may still be wrong) but the television service (in respect of countries signed up to the Convention) is. Apologies for my mistake.
Last edited by TVNewsviewer on 13 February 2021 10:44pm - 2 times in total
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Richard
I am now confused as I think my post of a few moments ago got removed.


The short version is the part I've highlighted from what you've said is the entire point, because the N-word is considered (in the rules as they were) to be highly offensive language and therefore can be justified by the context, but the F-word is considered among the most offensive where the rule, a complete ban, is entirely different.
We can't keep going round this as this thread relates to BBC World News which is not regulated by Ofcom. Therefore, a quick reply to, hopefully, put the issue to bed on this thread and move on.


Ofcom does regulate BBC World News
http://static.ofcom.org.uk/static/radiolicensing/html/tv/cs/tlcs000306ba1bbcworldnews.htm

In accordance with the Christmas Eve Brexit deal, an Ofcom licence is still valid for countries that have signed up to the European Convention for Transfrontier Television. A separate licence will be needed for countries not signatory, including Ireland, Netherlands etc, so that's why BBC World News also has a separate licence in Luxembourg.


That'll teach me not to dabble in areas I don't know for sure! With mentions of BBC World, BBC World News and BBC World television, I thought the page I saw on the internet said BBC World. It have checked again and it actually says BBC World Service is not regulated by Ofcom. (I could even have out of date information there.) So I understand that BBC World Service, which is radio, isn't covered by Ofcom (I may still be wrong) but the television service (in respect of countries signed up to the Convention) is. Apologies for my mistake.


Although BBC World Service (Radio) is broadcast in the UK (and specifically advertised here too) so it would be strange if that’s true.
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trevormon

Ofcom does regulate BBC World News
http://static.ofcom.org.uk/static/radiolicensing/html/tv/cs/tlcs000306ba1bbcworldnews.htm

In accordance with the Christmas Eve Brexit deal, an Ofcom licence is still valid for countries that have signed up to the European Convention for Transfrontier Television. A separate licence will be needed for countries not signatory, including Ireland, Netherlands etc, so that's why BBC World News also has a separate licence in Luxembourg.


That'll teach me not to dabble in areas I don't know for sure! With mentions of BBC World, BBC World News and BBC World television, I thought the page I saw on the internet said BBC World. It have checked again and it actually says BBC World Service is not regulated by Ofcom. (I could even have out of date information there.) So I understand that BBC World Service, which is radio, isn't covered by Ofcom (I may still be wrong) but the television service (in respect of countries signed up to the Convention) is. Apologies for my mistake.


Although BBC World Service (Radio) is broadcast in the UK (and specifically advertised here too) so it would be strange if that’s true.


Might be strange, but it's true. BBC World Service is 'primarily' aimed at overseas listeners which is probably why the BBC will tell you:
Quote:
BBC World Service is not regulated by Ofcom. Instead the BBC is responsible for setting its overall strategic direction, the budget and guarding its editorial independence for World Service.

Or as Ofcom themselves explain:
Quote:
The BBC’s fifth Public Purpose, to reflect the United Kingdom, its culture and values to the world, is outside Ofcom’s
regulatory role. It lies with the BBC to set the licence for the BBC World Service
Last edited by trevormon on 15 February 2021 12:33am

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