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(November 2013)

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IL
i-lied
Not handing it to World, just utilising the World presenter as they are in the building but off air at those times. It's still a NC production but not using the current NC pool of presenters till 1300. As was stated before, with GMT starting at 1100, the World morning presenter will be available to present to a UK audience during that time. My suggestion is cutting down on staff seeing as the staffing is there, just maybe slightly under utilised!

To counter your statement about when the NC produces its own content - it would be 9-1300 (as Victoira Derbyshire is MC produced), 1330-1800, 1800-2100 and 2230-000.
Last edited by i-lied on 6 December 2015 9:51pm
CW
Charlie Wells Moderator
dosxuk posted:
i-lied posted:
Earlier in the thread, I stated a way to save money by simulcasting GMT and using the WN presenter to take viewers up to the lunchtime news but even as a step to do now, the WN presenter can take over the morning slot (with the UK team producing the 9am bulletin, with WN presenter) and is on air in studio E between 11 and 1, with an afternoon presenter starting from 1:30. This would save some money with the presenters.


So the NC only produces it's own output between 1330-1800, 1830-2100, 2230-0000 - 8.5 hours a day? We're rapidly getting to the point of not bothering to broadcast it at all, especially once you add in other's suggestions that it should simulcast Newsnight and then handover to World, so no UK rolling news after 10pm.

On the other hand, a significant amount of UK interest news happens late-morning, early-afternoon, so I still think it's unlikely they'd consider handing that time to World.

At risk of this going off-topic into fantasy rota realms I'd personally rather the news channel axed Victoria Debyshire (the programme) and showed an hour of GMT at midday (to 1pm) instead. This would allow for the news channel to have rolling news between 9am and midday. Studio B would then be freed up for GMT to use for it's entire show, and the 11am-12pm hour of GMT could (theoretically) be shown on BBC Two. The way the news channel's going though I wouldn't be surprised if they're considering showing GMT after Victoria Derbyshire on the news channel.
Last edited by Charlie Wells on 7 December 2015 9:18am
NG
noggin Founding member
dosxuk posted:
i-lied posted:
Earlier in the thread, I stated a way to save money by simulcasting GMT and using the WN presenter to take viewers up to the lunchtime news but even as a step to do now, the WN presenter can take over the morning slot (with the UK team producing the 9am bulletin, with WN presenter) and is on air in studio E between 11 and 1, with an afternoon presenter starting from 1:30. This would save some money with the presenters.


So the NC only produces it's own output between 1330-1800, 1830-2100, 2230-0000 - 8.5 hours a day? We're rapidly getting to the point of not bothering to broadcast it at all, especially once you add in other's suggestions that it should simulcast Newsnight and then handover to World, so no UK rolling news after 10pm.

On the other hand, a significant amount of UK interest news happens late-morning, early-afternoon, so I still think it's unlikely they'd consider handing that time to World.


I think, technically, the One O'Clock News is editorially part of the News Channel. It isn't as separate from the NC in the way the Six and Ten bulletins are. It certainly was that way when it lost the dedicated editors post, and the Six and Ten merged editors to a single role.
IL
i-lied
noggin posted:
dosxuk posted:
i-lied posted:
Earlier in the thread, I stated a way to save money by simulcasting GMT and using the WN presenter to take viewers up to the lunchtime news but even as a step to do now, the WN presenter can take over the morning slot (with the UK team producing the 9am bulletin, with WN presenter) and is on air in studio E between 11 and 1, with an afternoon presenter starting from 1:30. This would save some money with the presenters.


So the NC only produces it's own output between 1330-1800, 1830-2100, 2230-0000 - 8.5 hours a day? We're rapidly getting to the point of not bothering to broadcast it at all, especially once you add in other's suggestions that it should simulcast Newsnight and then handover to World, so no UK rolling news after 10pm.

On the other hand, a significant amount of UK interest news happens late-morning, early-afternoon, so I still think it's unlikely they'd consider handing that time to World.


I think, technically, the One O'Clock News is editorially part of the News Channel. It isn't as separate from the NC in the way the Six and Ten bulletins are. It certainly was that way when it lost the dedicated editors post, and the Six and Ten merged editors to a single role.


This is true! I think what makes it more confusing is that the presenter is different but there isn't any rehearsals per se for the 1. The 6 & 10 do require this time. Is there any reason to use the NC presenter instead of a dedicated presenter?
MI
m_in_m
i-lied posted:
noggin posted:
dosxuk posted:
i-lied posted:
Earlier in the thread, I stated a way to save money by simulcasting GMT and using the WN presenter to take viewers up to the lunchtime news but even as a step to do now, the WN presenter can take over the morning slot (with the UK team producing the 9am bulletin, with WN presenter) and is on air in studio E between 11 and 1, with an afternoon presenter starting from 1:30. This would save some money with the presenters.


So the NC only produces it's own output between 1330-1800, 1830-2100, 2230-0000 - 8.5 hours a day? We're rapidly getting to the point of not bothering to broadcast it at all, especially once you add in other's suggestions that it should simulcast Newsnight and then handover to World, so no UK rolling news after 10pm.

On the other hand, a significant amount of UK interest news happens late-morning, early-afternoon, so I still think it's unlikely they'd consider handing that time to World.


I think, technically, the One O'Clock News is editorially part of the News Channel. It isn't as separate from the NC in the way the Six and Ten bulletins are. It certainly was that way when it lost the dedicated editors post, and the Six and Ten merged editors to a single role.


This is true! I think what makes it more confusing is that the presenter is different but there isn't any rehearsals per se for the 1. The 6 & 10 do require this time. Is there any reason to use the NC presenter instead of a dedicated presenter?

Whilst there isn't rehearsal - presumably due to fewer set pieces the script is written by the One presenter and therefore they can't be on air beforehand.
DO
dosxuk
noggin posted:
dosxuk posted:
i-lied posted:
Earlier in the thread, I stated a way to save money by simulcasting GMT and using the WN presenter to take viewers up to the lunchtime news but even as a step to do now, the WN presenter can take over the morning slot (with the UK team producing the 9am bulletin, with WN presenter) and is on air in studio E between 11 and 1, with an afternoon presenter starting from 1:30. This would save some money with the presenters.


So the NC only produces it's own output between 1330-1800, 1830-2100, 2230-0000 - 8.5 hours a day? We're rapidly getting to the point of not bothering to broadcast it at all, especially once you add in other's suggestions that it should simulcast Newsnight and then handover to World, so no UK rolling news after 10pm.

On the other hand, a significant amount of UK interest news happens late-morning, early-afternoon, so I still think it's unlikely they'd consider handing that time to World.


I think, technically, the One O'Clock News is editorially part of the News Channel. It isn't as separate from the NC in the way the Six and Ten bulletins are. It certainly was that way when it lost the dedicated editors post, and the Six and Ten merged editors to a single role.


My point was about what output the programming is produced for, not who's doing it. The NC staff may produce the one, but they can't decide to drop the running order half way through to cover some random breaking news like they can the rest of the day. The 1 is still produced primarily for BBC One, and the NC simulcasts that, rather than BBC One joining the NC for half an hour (even if the staffing suggests that).
IL
i-lied
dosxuk posted:
noggin posted:
dosxuk posted:
i-lied posted:
Earlier in the thread, I stated a way to save money by simulcasting GMT and using the WN presenter to take viewers up to the lunchtime news but even as a step to do now, the WN presenter can take over the morning slot (with the UK team producing the 9am bulletin, with WN presenter) and is on air in studio E between 11 and 1, with an afternoon presenter starting from 1:30. This would save some money with the presenters.


So the NC only produces it's own output between 1330-1800, 1830-2100, 2230-0000 - 8.5 hours a day? We're rapidly getting to the point of not bothering to broadcast it at all, especially once you add in other's suggestions that it should simulcast Newsnight and then handover to World, so no UK rolling news after 10pm.

On the other hand, a significant amount of UK interest news happens late-morning, early-afternoon, so I still think it's unlikely they'd consider handing that time to World.


I think, technically, the One O'Clock News is editorially part of the News Channel. It isn't as separate from the NC in the way the Six and Ten bulletins are. It certainly was that way when it lost the dedicated editors post, and the Six and Ten merged editors to a single role.


My point was about what output the programming is produced for, not who's doing it. The NC staff may produce the one, but they can't decide to drop the running order half way through to cover some random breaking news like they can the rest of the day. The 1 is still produced primarily for BBC One, and the NC simulcasts that, rather than BBC One joining the NC for half an hour (even if the staffing suggests that).


I get your point that editorrally the 1 is part of the NC. I was just wondering if that's somewhere where money could be saved.
IL
i-lied
There seems to be a graphics failure on the NC today, none of the countdowns I've seen have had a timer.
IS
Inspector Sands
i-lied posted:
There seems to be a graphics failure on the NC today, none of the countdowns I've seen have had a timer.

I'm pretty sure there are versions of the countdown with and without the numbers. There's no real point in putting them on seperately when they go out
L8
L89
I thought they use the non-countdown ones when they are waiting for BBC One.
IL
i-lied
On a weekend yes but fhe weekday bulletins use the countdowns.
MI
m_in_m
i-lied posted:
On a weekend yes but fhe weekday bulletins use the countdowns.

If the bulletin however was going to e a few seconds after the top of the hour would they use the unnumbered versions?

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