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BBC News Channel General Discussion

(November 2013)

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DT
DTV
I guess with the News Channel already taking World for 8:30-9am it made little sense to employ someone / staff E for only 9-9:15am. I can't help wondering though whether it costs more to produce Victoria Derbyshire daily from B than it would to produce 2 hours of standard rolling news from E.


I would expect it costs considerably more when it was in Studio E there were just the presenters and floor manager and a fairly small gallery team, in Studio B there is a fully staffed studio and gallery and not to mention the fact that the set has to be changed every day when it previously didn't have to be. Furthermore I expect that Victoria's salary is higher than one (if not both) News channel presenters and that isn't to mention the start up costs of the show. The programme has a considerable amount of furniture all of which has been made or purchased for the programme - they could have simply reupholstered the TVC Breakfast sofa but that's a new sofa. The coffee table nest, bar tables, bar stools (at least 20) and coffee table chairs will all have been expensively brought in. Then there's also that stupid desk and that pointless piece of glass that goes over the height adjustable desk. Plus the programme goes on 'roadtrips' to venues that all have to be expensively rented and set up. Replacing it with BBC News would most definitely be cheaper.
NE
newswatcher101
DTV posted:
I guess with the News Channel already taking World for 8:30-9am it made little sense to employ someone / staff E for only 9-9:15am. I can't help wondering though whether it costs more to produce Victoria Derbyshire daily from B than it would to produce 2 hours of standard rolling news from E.


I would expect it costs considerably more when it was in Studio E there were just the presenters and floor manager and a fairly small gallery team, in Studio B there is a fully staffed studio and gallery and not to mention the fact that the set has to be changed every day when it previously didn't have to be. Furthermore I expect that Victoria's salary is higher than one (if not both) News channel presenters and that isn't to mention the start up costs of the show. The programme has a considerable amount of furniture all of which has been made or purchased for the programme - they could have simply reupholstered the TVC Breakfast sofa but that's a new sofa. The coffee table nest, bar tables, bar stools (at least 20) and coffee table chairs will all have been expensively brought in. Then there's also that stupid desk and that pointless piece of glass that goes over the height adjustable desk. Plus the programme goes on 'roadtrips' to venues that all have to be expensively rented and set up. Replacing it with BBC News would most definitely be cheaper.


I completely agree, we should replace the programme with normal BBC News. It's always that old saying, 'why mend something when it's not broken' and this seems to be the case here. The BBC News Channel is successful how it is so didn't need the Victoria Derbyshire programme.

Is there any way the programme's format could fit into Studio E and work better for BBC News?
HB
HarryB
They missed the TOTH at midday because of Obama speaking in Paris so they brought in the new 'pushback' which showed brief pieces about each top story. It looks nice and is well designed but really isn't appropriate during a climate change speech.

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BA
Bail Moderator
but really isn't appropriate during a climate change speech.

Please expand on this, you may show your workings.


How is a news channel, showing multiple stories on screen, not appropriate? Why in particular is a climate change press conference not suitable? The only story I would suggest as inappropriate would be coverage of death(s).
RK
Rkolsen
They missed the TOTH at midday because of Obama speaking in Paris so they brought in the new 'pushback' which showed brief pieces about each top story. It looks nice and is well designed but really isn't appropriate during a climate change speech.

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It looks good. It's a way of people getting quick snippets of news when say there's a long speech going on. I wouldn't do the pushback if they were reporting on death or terrorist attack unless of course it's related to the story.

I like HD newscasts as it provides a better picture but there are times when the full frame isn't needed such as in studio reports. Over here in the US in the past either CNBC HD+/MSNBC provided additional live video in the side bar. Additionally they had a message to turn on the SAP (secondary audio program) if they would rather listen to the video on the side.

One thing I find interesting is that it appears they are keeping the deck of stories in what I would guess to be within the 4:3 safe zone. I thought the BBC and others worked on 14:9.
WO
Worzel
They missed the TOTH at midday because of Obama speaking in Paris so they brought in the new 'pushback' which showed brief pieces about each top story. It looks nice and is well designed but really isn't appropriate during a climate change speech.

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It looks good. It's a way of people getting quick snippets of news when say there's a long speech going on. I wouldn't do the pushback if they were reporting on death or terrorist attack unless of course it's related to the story.

I like HD newscasts as it provides a better picture but there are times when the full frame isn't needed such as in studio reports. Over here in the US in the past either CNBC HD+/MSNBC provided additional live video in the side bar. Additionally they had a message to turn on the SAP (secondary audio program) if they would rather listen to the video on the side.

One thing I find interesting is that it appears they are keeping the deck of stories in what I would guess to be within the 4:3 safe zone. I thought the BBC and others worked on 14:9.


The sidebar is nothing new in the UK. Sky News were using side panels for years when Sky News HD first launched, but dropped them a couple of years ago.

http://tvnewsroom.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/New-Pope-2013-Sky-News-HD-Panel-610x343.jpg

(From TV Newsroom)
SN
The SNT Three
I like it. I think it makes the stories a lot more accessible than the ticker scrolling across the bottom.
FL
flaziola
You know, using that format, with promos on the left rather than live news, could be a good way to bring back break fillers on BBC World News.
LL
London Lite Founding member
You know, using that format, with promos on the left rather than live news, could be a good way to bring back break fillers on BBC World News.


I'd use them during the Derbyshire show on the NC.
DV
dvboy
Newsday having problems during News in Brief.
MQ
Mr Q
You know, using that format, with promos on the left rather than live news, could be a good way to bring back break fillers on BBC World News.


I'd use them during the Derbyshire show on the NC.

I think that could be a clever approach. Could a news 'sidebar' like that run on the news channel, with the full-screen version of Derbyshire running on BBC Two?
CH
chris
A very minor thing that's bugging my ear - when in Studio C, there appears to be a tiny bit of silence before they restart the thunderclap. Stops it from sounding like one continuous track. Has anyone else noticed this?

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