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From 6am (April 2012)

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MD
mdtauk
Jamesypoo posted:
SomeRandomStuff posted:
itsrobert posted:
Andrew Wood posted:
Breakfast titles screen capture - 1920x1080 (stretched from broadcast 1440x1080), compression artefacts as broadcast.


My God, why can't they align the logos with the clock? Is that so hard?! I don't think they've ever managed to achieve that.


...the clock isnt meant to be on screen at the same time as the titles end board.


That's just not true. I think only on the weekends does the clock (sometimes) wait until after the titles to pop up. On a regular weekday, the clock is on screen no matter what. There's also one of the stings which has the same endboard. Do you expect them to take the clock off every time they play the sting?


The clock should be removed during titles. The fact it doesn't is a mistake on the part of who ever is in the gallery at the time.

Ideally titles and graphics would be designed to align nicely, but the title graphics are usually outsourced, while the on screen graphics are done in-house. Following some kind of brand guideline. This is how silly mistakes like this happen.
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A former member
mdtauk posted:
Andrew Wood posted:
mdtauk posted:
Andrew Wood posted:
Breakfast - handover to Business screen cap (details as before).

No comments on the floor tiles, yet?


The video on those screens have some bad looping. The weather was upscaled SD. Did they use any special currency and stocks full screen graphics at all?


Not that I've seen on skimming through. The video I've sent you has the most graphics shown during a Business segment.


That business clip did not have an update on the stocks or currencies


As I said, because none were shown in the programme.
KM
Kevizz MS
eoin posted:
Brekkie posted:
Perhaps they'd have been better off sharing with BBC Sport instead - or even Blue Peter, though I guess BP might share with Newsround/CBBC?

Good point, and one I haven't seen mentioned here. Would anyone be using the sports studios at that hour of the morning? Why can't Breakfast go there instead of being in converted office space?


Am I correct in my understanding that BBC Sport has two sets on the ground floor? It seems odd that their backup set was given a more prominent spot than Breakfast's.

LEDMAN posted:
Mike W posted:

With you there, you've pointed out what I missed Josh - ultimately they're making the best of a small space and are maximising it - however not keep on the orange lighting, myself - gives the impression "This is a dark, closed space and we're trying to make it look bigger". Should have gone white or cool blue!


You don't really understand lighting do you.


So you're saying that the studio's lighting is incapable of turning white or blue? Surely that is a massive failing on the part of the 'LED Man' who installed them...
MD
mdtauk
Andrew Wood posted:
mdtauk posted:
Andrew Wood posted:
mdtauk posted:
Andrew Wood posted:
Breakfast - handover to Business screen cap (details as before).

No comments on the floor tiles, yet?


The video on those screens have some bad looping. The weather was upscaled SD. Did they use any special currency and stocks full screen graphics at all?


Not that I've seen on skimming through. The video I've sent you has the most graphics shown during a Business segment.


That business clip did not have an update on the stocks or currencies


That's the problem with the business updates in Breakfast. Its all focused on the "little housewives" and not focused on the business community.

You'd think the 6am hour would feature more business business coverage
As I said, because none were shown in the programme.
DK
DanielK
In the Business cap it looks like the rear walls are not at 90º with the floor?! Or is it my sight?
MD
mdtauk
I have a question that may be broader than this thread. The soften that is applied to the graphics, titles etc. I know its to avoid too sharp a contrast with text etc.

Is it applied pre-broadcast, or as part of the broadcast chain? Softened in the templates, or as it comes out of the Viz machines?
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A former member
A few more caps from this morning to cover a couple of requests:

Markets graphic
Studio wide shot
Presenters
KI
kitt22
aconnell posted:
BBC Sport definitely got the better studio(s). I would still really like to know why NWT didn't move to where Sport is now, as was proposed. Breakfast would have been sorted then, although I acknowledge the fact that building the NWT studio happened without Breakfast in mind.

The only place with really high ceilings does appear to be the ground floor, judging by photos on Google.


My understanding from conversations with those working in Salford (feel free to correct me, Beeb people) is that NWT WAS initially going to be where the Sport studio is.

There set was due to be installed there and overlook the MediaCity plaza. However during a visit by the Director General during construction there were big anti-BBC protestors in the plaza and the DG suggested having NWT overlooking such a public space was not wise.

So the NWT studio was moved to the first floor and was going overlook the waterfront through the real window with a reflective coating on the window. This was the plan until quite late in the day and then the Breakfast move was confirmed. The Breakfast editorial team/ studio designers overruled NWT and insisted blacking out the windows and installing an artificial backdrop.

Hence low ceiling and fake backdrop.
DE
deejay
I think the low ceilings are simply because this is converted office space and wasn't originally designed for a "studio". Done thoughtfully, converted office space can work well (The One Show is an example of a programme that looks extremely good considering it's not made in a space which was originally designed to house television production) AIUI, The One Show got their hands on the area early in the conversion process and so were able to keep the grid height as high as possible, put air con ducts in places that wouldn't hamper later rigging of lamps et al and install flexible cable runs for power and control.

That said, the shots I recall seeing of the area on the ground floor that was originally to be used, didn't look much higher.
MO
Moz
Jamesypoo posted:
Do you expect them to take the clock off every time they play the sting

Yes. The News Channel does.

kitt22 posted:
...the DG suggested having NWT overlooking such a public space was not wise...

...The Breakfast editorial team/ studio designers overruled NWT and insisted blacking out the windows and installing an artificial backdrop...

Bad decisions anyone? Really bad decisions? I think so.

Luckily the DG is on his way out. The Breakfast team should follow him.
AC
aconnell
How viable and possible would it be to employ some virtual reality on the wide shots? Would it be worth it really since other shots will reveal the low ceiling?a
KI
kitt22
Moz posted:
Jamesypoo posted:
Do you expect them to take the clock off every time they play the sting

Yes. The News Channel does.

kitt22 posted:
...the DG suggested having NWT overlooking such a public space was not wise...

...The Breakfast editorial team/ studio designers overruled NWT and insisted blacking out the windows and installing an artificial backdrop...

Bad decisions anyone? Really bad decisions? I think so.

Luckily the DG is on his way out. The Breakfast team should follow him.


In their defence, while I think a real backdrop would have been far better for NWT, I think Breakfast would have had the same 'dark mornings' problem Daybreak had?

But I think moving to the first floor was an error, the ceiling is too low!

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