PC
The bottom design is clearly the original 1999 set in N8. I'd say the top one was part of a proposed design for the 2003 redesign, as there's News 24 branding on the screens.
PE
Pete
Founding member
The bottom one is indeed 1999, the top seems to be an early version of what became the 2003 set. Note for example the stools in front of the screen to the right, which would eventually end up in the bigger section to the right of the set.
Although I'm slightly confused by the geography of the bit behind the set in the top photo as the office layout seems closer to the space behind N9, unless the set is at 90 degrees to where it currently is and further back into the space behind? Probably over analysing it though.
LIKE THAT'S EVER HAPPENED ON TVF BEFORE
Although I'm slightly confused by the geography of the bit behind the set in the top photo as the office layout seems closer to the space behind N9, unless the set is at 90 degrees to where it currently is and further back into the space behind? Probably over analysing it though.
LIKE THAT'S EVER HAPPENED ON TVF BEFORE
GE
Sounds bit silly upon review, I just meant to refer to the precision and repeatability of the shots, so they could take more difficult ones that give the best impression of a larger space. I'm sure the wide lens will be what makes the most difference.
The cameras are always a fixed distance from the presenter as they are on rails, so shape and structure of the shots are limited to xy + magnification(zoom) rather than the xyz + zoom option a manual camera can offer.
Sounds bit silly upon review, I just meant to refer to the precision and repeatability of the shots, so they could take more difficult ones that give the best impression of a larger space. I'm sure the wide lens will be what makes the most difference.
The cameras are always a fixed distance from the presenter as they are on rails, so shape and structure of the shots are limited to xy + magnification(zoom) rather than the xyz + zoom option a manual camera can offer.
GE
I presume you could programme the cameras so they never show each other, never show bits of the studio which aren't meant to be seen, only show certain angles and shots?
Wait until you see what world are planning!
I presume you could programme the cameras so they never show each other, never show bits of the studio which aren't meant to be seen, only show certain angles and shots?
Wait until you see what world are planning!
KM
The cameras are always a fixed distance from the presenter as they are on rails, so shape and structure of the shots are limited to xy + magnification(zoom) rather than the xyz + zoom option a manual camera can offer.
Do you think the trade off is worth it? To me, the space saved and functionality seem like big benefits. The ease with which they can be programmed and positioned will surely lead to a lot more creativity and dynamism, too. I've seen a fair bit of whinging about everything at BH looking visually similar to current presentation, but I think these studios are going to be a massive change.
The cameras are always a fixed distance from the presenter as they are on rails, so shape and structure of the shots are limited to xy + magnification(zoom) rather than the xyz + zoom option a manual camera can offer.
Do you think the trade off is worth it? To me, the space saved and functionality seem like big benefits. The ease with which they can be programmed and positioned will surely lead to a lot more creativity and dynamism, too. I've seen a fair bit of whinging about everything at BH looking visually similar to current presentation, but I think these studios are going to be a massive change.
MO
I presume you could programme the cameras so they never show each other, never show bits of the studio which aren't meant to be seen, only show certain angles and shots?
Wait until you see what world are planning!
Arggggh! Please, just throw us some crumbs.
Do you mean that World *will* have cameras showing each other?
I presume you could programme the cameras so they never show each other, never show bits of the studio which aren't meant to be seen, only show certain angles and shots?
Wait until you see what world are planning!
Arggggh! Please, just throw us some crumbs.
Do you mean that World *will* have cameras showing each other?
MB
I presume you could programme the cameras so they never show each other, never show bits of the studio which aren't meant to be seen, only show certain angles and shots?
Wait until you see what world are planning!
Arggggh! Please, just throw us some crumbs.
Do you mean that World *will* have cameras showing each other?
Embrace the cameras. They are part of the set. #dance
I presume you could programme the cameras so they never show each other, never show bits of the studio which aren't meant to be seen, only show certain angles and shots?
Wait until you see what world are planning!
Arggggh! Please, just throw us some crumbs.
Do you mean that World *will* have cameras showing each other?
Embrace the cameras. They are part of the set. #dance
MO
I presume you could programme the cameras so they never show each other, never show bits of the studio which aren't meant to be seen, only show certain angles and shots?
Wait until you see what world are planning!
Arggggh! Please, just throw us some crumbs.
Do you mean that World *will* have cameras showing each other?
Embrace the cameras. They are part of the set. #dance
Okay...
I presume you could programme the cameras so they never show each other, never show bits of the studio which aren't meant to be seen, only show certain angles and shots?
Wait until you see what world are planning!
Arggggh! Please, just throw us some crumbs.
Do you mean that World *will* have cameras showing each other?
Embrace the cameras. They are part of the set. #dance
Okay...
IT
Yes, the 1999-2003 version of N8 did frequently use its second, smaller set. As I recall, it was used for some business updates, Business Today and programmes like Agenda, Gate 24, 7 Days, Fast Track etc. Sport used to come from its own tiny set in the nearby sports newsroom, and weather forecasts originally came from a position in between the main and second sets in N8. That was until they moved to the BBC Weather centre and many of them started being pre-recorded at that point, I think.
itsrobert
Founding member
Both visualisations were N8? Also, was the area across from the main desk ever used?
Yes, the 1999-2003 version of N8 did frequently use its second, smaller set. As I recall, it was used for some business updates, Business Today and programmes like Agenda, Gate 24, 7 Days, Fast Track etc. Sport used to come from its own tiny set in the nearby sports newsroom, and weather forecasts originally came from a position in between the main and second sets in N8. That was until they moved to the BBC Weather centre and many of them started being pre-recorded at that point, I think.
GE
The ease with which they can be programmed and positioned will surely lead to a lot more creativity and dynamism,
Apparently the software to control and create shots is extremely clumpy and user unfriendly. So shots will not be created or modified quickly. According to my source, the cameras cannot be finessed whilst on a move, so if the presenter is not on their mark or has moved(as many do), the camera cannot be reframed until the move has completed.
The ease with which they can be programmed and positioned will surely lead to a lot more creativity and dynamism,
Apparently the software to control and create shots is extremely clumpy and user unfriendly. So shots will not be created or modified quickly. According to my source, the cameras cannot be finessed whilst on a move, so if the presenter is not on their mark or has moved(as many do), the camera cannot be reframed until the move has completed.
KM
The ease with which they can be programmed and positioned will surely lead to a lot more creativity and dynamism,
Apparently the software to control and create shots is extremely clumpy and user unfriendly. So shots will not be created or modified quickly. According to my source, the cameras cannot be finessed whilst on a move, so if the presenter is not on their mark or has moved(as many do), the camera cannot be reframed until the move has completed.
Oh, that's a shame. I hope they're able to get the hang of it. Any idea which system they've gone with? Ross Video?
I suppose there's bound to be a challenging learning curve to this sort of thing, presenters paying more careful attention their marks being one of them. Sounds like your contact isn't particularly impressed with them.
I presume you could programme the cameras so they never show each other, never show bits of the studio which aren't meant to be seen, only show certain angles and shots?
Wait until you see what world are planning!
Arggggh! Please, just throw us some crumbs.
Do you mean that World *will* have cameras showing each other?
Embrace the cameras. They are part of the set. #dance
Have a look at the Camera 1 feed in the image below...
Personally I don't have a problem with visible cameras, just their operators.
The ease with which they can be programmed and positioned will surely lead to a lot more creativity and dynamism,
Apparently the software to control and create shots is extremely clumpy and user unfriendly. So shots will not be created or modified quickly. According to my source, the cameras cannot be finessed whilst on a move, so if the presenter is not on their mark or has moved(as many do), the camera cannot be reframed until the move has completed.
Oh, that's a shame. I hope they're able to get the hang of it. Any idea which system they've gone with? Ross Video?
I suppose there's bound to be a challenging learning curve to this sort of thing, presenters paying more careful attention their marks being one of them. Sounds like your contact isn't particularly impressed with them.
I presume you could programme the cameras so they never show each other, never show bits of the studio which aren't meant to be seen, only show certain angles and shots?
Wait until you see what world are planning!
Arggggh! Please, just throw us some crumbs.
Do you mean that World *will* have cameras showing each other?
Embrace the cameras. They are part of the set. #dance
Have a look at the Camera 1 feed in the image below...
That ident looks more orange.
Personally I don't have a problem with visible cameras, just their operators.
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