What went wrong with night time

TT was getting Manchester service up until Oct 1992: few clips that prove this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5MBYL9I2HQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jY5NXpgQdY

I dare say everyone was still nick other peoples feeds half the time... would Granada and London service both take yorkshire feed for the live James whales show?

I realise that; I was the one who put up a lot of the info on dates re TTTV's overnight service in the first place. What I meant though was that YTV were taking Granada's service (and rebranding it) for much of Christmas 1992.

But as you say, there will have been a lot of examples of companies taking stuff from each other. Tyne Tees went through a brief phase in 1991 when they seemed to be taking a fair number of early night-time programmes from London rather than Granada; this was during a period when they were making a *lot* of regional productions, sometimes as much as 15 or 16 hours in a week (presumably to impress the ITC), and they would often run these through past midnight, when Granada's service started. Sometimes Granada would start with a film at 11.05 or 11.35 -- TTTV would then gap-fill with a mixture of self-sourced and Thames-originated programming up to around 1.30am. They also had a habit of missing the first hour of snooker highlights, opting for locally-originated sport instead -- they'd then either crash straight into the snooker or run a recording of the titles before crashing that into the snooker.

It would have made more since just to record the snooker and play out the full highlights.

I never know that about the London feed getting used during period in 1991, do you know for how many months this would have been for?

also do I take it, both Granada and london feeds may have been used on the same nights? as you say thames was used up until 1.30ish, so it may have switched back to granada feed?

Oh yeah they joined Granada eventually, it was more of an opt-out thing -- Granada would start Night Time at 11.35 (say), run a film (or somesuch) to 1.30am or so, but TTTV would be showing regional programming to 12.35 (typically) and would then have to either fill the gap with an import (Knight Rider seemed to be a favourite as I recall) or would take something that Thames was also showing (again, usually an import) to 1.30 and then join Granada, often with a nice mix of local continuity at 1.30 to fill time to make it worth staying up for if you were a geek like me.

They did not, at any point adopt the Thames branding -- they'd always join Night Time at some point. I recall though that this could be as late at 2.30am in extreme circumstances -- and Jonathan Morrell got some nice overtime on that occasion as he appeared in-vision before the news!

They did sometimes timeshift the snooker, but not often. Bear in mind that this was before servers (at least at Newcastle) -- a tape-based recorder (they'd have been using Betacam-SP for such duties) isn't going to be able to record and play simultaneously so the means to get the highlights timeshifted probably weren't usually available. (Obviously it's possible but at that time of night there would have been a reduced staffing level).

As an aside, Night Shift went the other way. Typically it also started at 11.30 or so at night, but not always. If they were showing a film at 10.40 Night Shift would sometimes start right after the local news -- the announcer presumably having buggered off home at 10pm. On a couple of extreme examples Night Shift started before 10 at night -- much to my disgust. I recall one occasion where, at 9.50, Lesley Manners read out the local weather live, then immediately afterwards Maggie Mash took over with a Night Shift sting advertising the late film.

Resurrecting an old discussion within this thread, but I remember that 'tone' you refer to - it was also audible before pre-recorded local ads voiced by the CA, and before interval music. Does this indicate these were played from a cart?

TTT did have a standby 'startup' recording in the mid-80s (voiced by Annie St John) which I heard at least once - but this appeared to be recorded differently as the quality was very poor compared to the ads I refer to above.

Its London night time service, viewed via Grampian in 1998..

Adverts, full of single hotline: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS22Q7Xj6O0

Q: would Grampian played that out or would someone else play that out like London?

Well AT LAST I finally gotten the last piece of the puzzles. I have got a reply back from one of the old Westcountry announcers Mr Chris langmore, who had to also speak to HTV transmission controller, just to make sure.

WC and HTV took the Meridian feed from 1995 - 2000. you should see what there had to do! ( I dare say this also interlinks with the other thread

* Did westcountry/ HTV Get its Night time feed from Meridian from summer of 1995 onwards?


* Was it branded locally for the whole 5 years until 2000?


* In 1996 did westcountry/ HTV deceived to provide its own joint night service or was it still link to the Meridian feed?

A few more clips to be added to help show of presentation..

London service "1995 - 1999" service
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prvBiIR9958 ( That DFS advert is just the same!)

* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL9rbV1cNso

Hopeful London 1993 - 1994 carlton service will appear....

Didn't know that sale has been going since 1997!

This was postage on the comment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHzu3ziIqVQ : normal "ITV" 89 idents used by nighttime....


London NT promo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcqzRfkd3mw

UTV "back soon" 2003 with old 1995 idents
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuDhwfmyDeE&NR=1

Here is more presentation from HTV NIGH CLUB "late 1990"

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheWhizz2009#p/u/7/866A8J5vuEo

Now if only we can found a clip of Carlton service during 1993/1994 and Meridian service from 95/96

I wonder if that's perhaps a reference to this from ITV, though these were much later (1997 Christmas I have written down). Not strictly an ident as they were filmed competition shorts instead, but they were used to link into programmes and it matches the description used?

http://www.tvwhirl.co.uk/testvlogos/itvtreesxmas1997.mp4

http://www.tvwhirl.co.uk/testvlogos/itvtreesxmas1997b.mp4