WH
Not only that they called Pier racist, but Sharon was labeled racist as well for supporting him, on Twitter and in a silly, indirect way by her co-host as well. Sharon asked the co-host to tell her exactly what racist things Piers said and she couldn't do it. Sharon was almost crying at that point, there's a video on Twitter. Now many are asking for Sharon to be fired and canceled.
There's more to racism than specific examples of language, which appears to be what you're saying.
Let me make it as clear as possible for you:
In their interview, Harry & Meghan made a specific claim of racism within the Royal family.
Rather than be horrified at the allegation, Piers not only brushed it aside, but painted it as an affront to the family, doubling down on his attacks on Harry & Meghan and their 'wokeness', and further affirming his support for the rest of the family.
The fact that Piers remained so appalled at Harry & Meghan rather than shocked at the allegation of racism, is why a lot of black people are accusing him of displaying racism himself.
Whataday
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Just watched a bit of The Talk in America where Sharon Osborne's co hosts were calling Pier's behaviour racist in a matter of fact way. I thought the whole Meghan thing was because she blanked him? It's hard to keep up with the Twitter mob sometimes. I do wonder how far all this noise moves us further forward. Is there anything solid in there, or is it more for people to act the big I am on social media while Boris and co laugh their heads off at a perfect example of divide and rule? Time will tell, but I have my doubts the Twitter army have the same power as the civil rights movements of the past. Today's arguments seem to be more about calling people out and not much substance. Hopefully I'm wrong and in a few years we have a completely equal society where anyone can have a good education and job and women can go out alone at night without being murdered.
Not only that they called Pier racist, but Sharon was labeled racist as well for supporting him, on Twitter and in a silly, indirect way by her co-host as well. Sharon asked the co-host to tell her exactly what racist things Piers said and she couldn't do it. Sharon was almost crying at that point, there's a video on Twitter. Now many are asking for Sharon to be fired and canceled.
There's more to racism than specific examples of language, which appears to be what you're saying.
Let me make it as clear as possible for you:
In their interview, Harry & Meghan made a specific claim of racism within the Royal family.
Rather than be horrified at the allegation, Piers not only brushed it aside, but painted it as an affront to the family, doubling down on his attacks on Harry & Meghan and their 'wokeness', and further affirming his support for the rest of the family.
The fact that Piers remained so appalled at Harry & Meghan rather than shocked at the allegation of racism, is why a lot of black people are accusing him of displaying racism himself.
DO
I find it interesting that so many people here are saying that piers was a good interviewer and was asking the questions everyone wanted, when from every interview I saw this was far from the case.
He wouldn't let people give answers he didn't like, he would bait people into saying what he wanted to hear and he never allowed the other party a clear chance to put their opinion across.
When it comes to the choices of questions, sure, he was asking what the baying mob want to see a MP asked, not because of the answer they'll give but because it'll make them uncomfortable. Take the NHS wages stuff, we get questions like "why don't you support paying nurses properly" rather than "please explain why you think 1% is fair". Sure the second question is more boring, but we might actually get something positive come from it. The former will only get click baity clips shared on Twitter rather than an actual answer to the problem.
He wouldn't let people give answers he didn't like, he would bait people into saying what he wanted to hear and he never allowed the other party a clear chance to put their opinion across.
When it comes to the choices of questions, sure, he was asking what the baying mob want to see a MP asked, not because of the answer they'll give but because it'll make them uncomfortable. Take the NHS wages stuff, we get questions like "why don't you support paying nurses properly" rather than "please explain why you think 1% is fair". Sure the second question is more boring, but we might actually get something positive come from it. The former will only get click baity clips shared on Twitter rather than an actual answer to the problem.
CA
Yeah this morning we had Owen Jones and a fellow idiot debating Freedom of speech and cancel culture. They'll stick with the culture war nonsense.
It might have made you feel good, but he never got any answers. He just hectored and ultimately let the Ministers off the hook.
I think GMB can still carry on if they keep owning the debate formula that they have coined over the past few years. It's different enough to the approach that the BBC and Sky have to breakfast TV.
Yeah this morning we had Owen Jones and a fellow idiot debating Freedom of speech and cancel culture. They'll stick with the culture war nonsense.
When Piers grilled ministers on Covid, he was at his best, pressing for answers
If he stuck to being to being the presenter who gives politicians a hard time instead of using his platform to bash someone constantly, I doubt he'd be in so much trouble, but that's Piers for you!
If he stuck to being to being the presenter who gives politicians a hard time instead of using his platform to bash someone constantly, I doubt he'd be in so much trouble, but that's Piers for you!
It might have made you feel good, but he never got any answers. He just hectored and ultimately let the Ministers off the hook.
IT
I also think it's really weird that it's taken people a long time to realise that Piers has "gone over the top" - It's like Jeremy Kyle, it took people years to notice how much of a deceptive show it was.
As we've discussed before, Piers has made all sorts of insensitive comments during his time on GMB.
I'm still hearing people say "oh Piers had good answers to some questions" - Yeah, only when it came to the choice of topic.
I'm actually starting to think that ITV purposely picked controversial topics to get the views and clicks.
As we've discussed before, Piers has made all sorts of insensitive comments during his time on GMB.
I'm still hearing people say "oh Piers had good answers to some questions" - Yeah, only when it came to the choice of topic.
I'm actually starting to think that ITV purposely picked controversial topics to get the views and clicks.
NJ
He was doing that radio format when he was at BRMB in Birmingham in the 1990s. It was called Late & Live then, but it was the same format as the later Virgin/Capital show, and subsequently his TV show.
Neil Jones
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It's strange I never liked The Jeremy Kyle Show but I did listen to Jezza's Virgin/Capital Confessions which was a precursor to the TV show.
He was doing that radio format when he was at BRMB in Birmingham in the 1990s. It was called Late & Live then, but it was the same format as the later Virgin/Capital show, and subsequently his TV show.
IT
This you?
I've made this point before but it seems like you're just using the forum as a place to troll people at this point, compared with early 2020/late 2019 and before...
At least BBC Breakfast had a good long run as the number 1 rated breakfast show. A shame it's all over for them now.
This you?
I've made this point before but it seems like you're just using the forum as a place to troll people at this point, compared with early 2020/late 2019 and before...
JK
With regards to the future of GMB, the old saying that no one person is bigger than the show itself should be maintained. GMB will and can continue on without Piers, in fact there could be an untapped audience who flocked to BBC Breakfast because Piers was anchoring, and these potential viewers could return to GMB - just a thought.
ITV will stick with GMB, as it has been said before on here they have nothing else to replace it with, as they have gone through so many formats and names, sticking with GMB is their only option (apart from just throwing cartoons and news summaries at us an a cheap alternative).
My guess is they will wait until the heat of this dies down, and gently reformat the programme, bring in new features, and keep it on air, as long as the ratings do not take a drastic nose dive. Remember the time when they were hovering around the 330,000 mark in May 2014, I doubt if ITV want to go back to that situation.
ITV will stick with GMB, as it has been said before on here they have nothing else to replace it with, as they have gone through so many formats and names, sticking with GMB is their only option (apart from just throwing cartoons and news summaries at us an a cheap alternative).
My guess is they will wait until the heat of this dies down, and gently reformat the programme, bring in new features, and keep it on air, as long as the ratings do not take a drastic nose dive. Remember the time when they were hovering around the 330,000 mark in May 2014, I doubt if ITV want to go back to that situation.
LO
Again, it's not really about having an opinion or even articulating that opinion. It's about a pattern of behaviour, over time, where he has persistently sought to belittle, undermine, and deliberately cause hurt to an individual using a platform that gave him access to around a million people and all because that person once upset him. Monday was the final straw in that respect, that's when the complaints were generated. Tuesday with Alex is niether here nor there.
I think we can all agree there has been some very unpleasant undertones to some of the coverage of Megan. Piers Morgan had his part to play in that.
I also think we can all empathise with Harry trying to protect his wife after watching what his mother went through, and now, nearly 25 years later the press still won't leave it alone.
Nevertheless, as much Megan and Harry seem to dislike the press, they seem to feed it.
They didn't have to do a big interview with Opera.
They didn't have to make a big song and dance about stepping back from the royal family.
The circus seems to just follow them around, and I'm afraid I can't say that they are completely free from blame in courting it.
They could just do what Prince Edward and Sophie does... live the quiet life, not really giving interviews or doing tv appearances, and just stick to opening the odd village hall or whatever.
To me, they want their cake and eat it. Sadly, if you want the good stuff you have to suck up the bad. Wills and Kate seem to get it.
So, yes, I have some sympathy, but not a lot.
we do live in a funny world, I can't say I am a fan of Piers, but I can see that is was interesting to watch- but all that he says is only an opinion, it's quite funny so many educated adults can't deal with somebody having a different view and get all wound up about it. I guess that's why Morgan used to bait them.
Again, it's not really about having an opinion or even articulating that opinion. It's about a pattern of behaviour, over time, where he has persistently sought to belittle, undermine, and deliberately cause hurt to an individual using a platform that gave him access to around a million people and all because that person once upset him. Monday was the final straw in that respect, that's when the complaints were generated. Tuesday with Alex is niether here nor there.
I think we can all agree there has been some very unpleasant undertones to some of the coverage of Megan. Piers Morgan had his part to play in that.
I also think we can all empathise with Harry trying to protect his wife after watching what his mother went through, and now, nearly 25 years later the press still won't leave it alone.
Nevertheless, as much Megan and Harry seem to dislike the press, they seem to feed it.
They didn't have to do a big interview with Opera.
They didn't have to make a big song and dance about stepping back from the royal family.
The circus seems to just follow them around, and I'm afraid I can't say that they are completely free from blame in courting it.
They could just do what Prince Edward and Sophie does... live the quiet life, not really giving interviews or doing tv appearances, and just stick to opening the odd village hall or whatever.
To me, they want their cake and eat it. Sadly, if you want the good stuff you have to suck up the bad. Wills and Kate seem to get it.
So, yes, I have some sympathy, but not a lot.
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JO
Again, it's not really about having an opinion or even articulating that opinion. It's about a pattern of behaviour, over time, where he has persistently sought to belittle, undermine, and deliberately cause hurt to an individual using a platform that gave him access to around a million people and all because that person once upset him. Monday was the final straw in that respect, that's when the complaints were generated. Tuesday with Alex is niether here nor there.
I think we can all agree there has been some very unpleasant undertones to some of the coverage of Megan. Piers Morgan had his part to play in that.
I also think we can all empathise with Harry trying to protect his wife after watching what his mother went through, and now, nearly 25 years later the press still won't leave it alone.
Nevertheless, as much Megan and Harry seem to dislike the press, they seem to feed it.
They didn't have to do a big interview with Opera.
They didn't have to make a big song and dance about stepping back from the royal family.
The circus seems to just follow them around, and I'm afraid I can't say that they are completely free from blame in courting it.
They could just to what Prince Andrew and Sophie does... live the quiet life, not really giving interviews or doing tv appearances, and just stick to opening the odd village hall opening or whatever.
To me, they want their cake and eat it. Sadly, if you want the good stuff you have to suck up the bad. Wills and Kate seem to get it.
So, yes, I have some sympathy, but not a lot.
I think you'll find Prince Andrew hasn't exactly been living a quiet life, Prince Edward on the other hand...
we do live in a funny world, I can't say I am a fan of Piers, but I can see that is was interesting to watch- but all that he says is only an opinion, it's quite funny so many educated adults can't deal with somebody having a different view and get all wound up about it. I guess that's why Morgan used to bait them.
Again, it's not really about having an opinion or even articulating that opinion. It's about a pattern of behaviour, over time, where he has persistently sought to belittle, undermine, and deliberately cause hurt to an individual using a platform that gave him access to around a million people and all because that person once upset him. Monday was the final straw in that respect, that's when the complaints were generated. Tuesday with Alex is niether here nor there.
I think we can all agree there has been some very unpleasant undertones to some of the coverage of Megan. Piers Morgan had his part to play in that.
I also think we can all empathise with Harry trying to protect his wife after watching what his mother went through, and now, nearly 25 years later the press still won't leave it alone.
Nevertheless, as much Megan and Harry seem to dislike the press, they seem to feed it.
They didn't have to do a big interview with Opera.
They didn't have to make a big song and dance about stepping back from the royal family.
The circus seems to just follow them around, and I'm afraid I can't say that they are completely free from blame in courting it.
They could just to what Prince Andrew and Sophie does... live the quiet life, not really giving interviews or doing tv appearances, and just stick to opening the odd village hall opening or whatever.
To me, they want their cake and eat it. Sadly, if you want the good stuff you have to suck up the bad. Wills and Kate seem to get it.
So, yes, I have some sympathy, but not a lot.
I think you'll find Prince Andrew hasn't exactly been living a quiet life, Prince Edward on the other hand...