No, because around that time Flextech brought over the family channel around the same time, whats more interesting from 97 until early 00, we had family late which had a number of IFE programmes, Challenge also broadcast all those TVS gameshows thus the paper work had to be in order for them to broadcast them.
Hasn't it been settled on here that the reason that Challenge were showing the likes of Catchphrase and All Clued Up until 2000 because around the time Flextech took over The Family Channel, they signed a contract for the shows, and they were able to show them until the contract expired- but couldn't renew the contract because of the missing paperwork.
Ive never heard that before. yet the paper work cant be missing for four years surly?
That's strange seeing as it's been mentioned in more than one TVS discussion on here, which you've contributed to.
I swear I never read anything like that or if I did, I just white washed it as just doesn't stand up. Also why would Challenge want the non gameshow stuff? even after 00.30?
I swear I never read anything like that or if I did, I just white washed it as just doesn't stand up.
Why doesn't it "stand up". Flextech signed the contract and paid the money for the shows around 1997 at the time the paperwork still existed, that contract would have lasted for so many years (until around 2000/01), they were able to show the programmes until the contract expired, By the time the contract expired, the paperwork had gone missing, so they were unable to renew it. What's so hard to understand about it?
I believe TVS was bought by IFE not long after they went off air, and IFE was bought by Fox around 1997 (I think the TVS paperwork went missing during that sale) and became Fox Family, then to Disney in 2001 when it became ABC Family, which is how they ended up with the rights.
No, because around that time Flextech brought over the family channel around the same time, whats more interesting from 97 until early 00, we had family late which had a number of IFE programmes, Challenge also broadcast all those TVS gameshows thus the paper work had to be in order for them to broadcast them.
The end date roughly coincides with when TVS Entertainment PLC was dissolved. I estimate that the paperwork did not go missing until around June 2000. TVS at the time was owned by Fox Family Worldwide which was not taken over by Disney until 2001.
It is possible that - in the absence of paperwork - Disney was not even aware that it owned the TVS archive when it took over Fox Family Worldwide. If staff from Disney have never touched any tapes from the TVS archive stored at the Maidstone Studios and do not have any paperwork mentioning any of the programmes then it is possible that the real owners of the tapes are the Maidstone Studios and not Disney because they are located on their premises and nobody else has any proof of ownership. Has anybody officially checked with Disney to confirm whether they own the tapes or not? If Disney does not own the tapes then we can factor them out of the equation.
I believe TVS was bought by IFE not long after they went off air, and IFE was bought by Fox around 1997 (I think the TVS paperwork went missing during that sale) and became Fox Family, then to Disney in 2001 when it became ABC Family, which is how they ended up with the rights.
No, because around that time Flextech brought over the family channel around the same time, whats more interesting from 97 until early 00, we had family late which had a number of IFE programmes, Challenge also broadcast all those TVS gameshows thus the paper work had to be in order for them to broadcast them.
The end date roughly coincides with when TVS Entertainment PLC was dissolved. I estimate that the paperwork did not go missing until around June 2000. TVS at the time was owned by Fox Family Worldwide which was not taken over by Disney until 2001.
It is possible that - in the absence of paperwork - Disney was not even aware that it owned the TVS archive when it took over Fox Family Worldwide. If staff from Disney have never touched any tapes from the TVS archive stored at the Maidstone Studios and do not have any paperwork mentioning any of the programmes then it is possible that the real owners of the tapes are the Maidstone Studios and not Disney because they are located on their premises and nobody else has any proof of ownership. Has anybody officially checked with Disney to confirm whether they own the tapes or not? If Disney does not own the tapes then we can factor them out of the equation.
Ownership of the tapes is largely irrelevant if you don't know who owns the content on them, or who needs to be paid to show the content on broadcast TV... That's why the paperwork is vital. Without that they are just piles of oxide on plastic.
I swear I never read anything like that or if I did, I just white washed it as just doesn't stand up.
Why doesn't it "stand up". Flextech signed the contract and paid the money for the shows around 1997 at the time the paperwork still existed, that contract would have lasted for so many years (until around 2000/01), they were able to show the programmes until the contract expired, By the time the contract expired, the paperwork had gone missing, so they were unable to renew it. What's so hard to understand about it?
Because the paperwork has to be around at all times, Challenge would have had paperwork about who get what money etc, If not then how would anyone get paid if the paperwork went missing , what Roy walker come a knocking? Plus around the time there lost the rights there wanted some Fresh new shows, which there went looking for, It wasnt until some time later Challenge went back to aquire the rights that when the trouble started for them.
Riaz, Disney does own the archive, there admitted, plenty of times.
Ownership of the tapes is largely irrelevant if you don't know who owns the content on them, or who needs to be paid to show the content on broadcast TV... That's why the paperwork is vital. Without that they are just piles of oxide on plastic.
The most pressing concern is the preservation of TVS programmes. The longer we leave things as they are the greater the potential that the tapes will be destroyed in a fire, mysteriously vanish, or be inadvertently thrown in a skip. The archive is all in analogue formats with the most recent material nearly 25 years old so there is a risk of the tape stock deteriorating in storage. Therefore we need an action plan:
1. Find the exact locations where the tapes from the TVS archive are stored.
2. Catalogue the archive to identify what exists and whether there are any missing programmes.
3. Digitise the archive and deposit a copy with the BFI. This will ensure that the TVS archive is preserved for all times.
4. If there's anything (significant) missing then continue to search for the whereabouts of it.
Only after the archive has been digitised should we start to concern ourselves with the rights to individual programmes.
It is possible that - in the absence of paperwork - Disney was not even aware that it owned the TVS archive when it took over Fox Family Worldwide.
I don't see what that would have to do with the absense of rights paperwork. The 'paperwork' just lists the intellectual rights contained within the programmes on the tapes. It doesn't mean the archive becomes invisible to all admin.
The existence of the material would have been apparent on any list of assets produced in the takeover, and the ongoing rent payments to the owners of the building where it was located would be on a balance sheet, and of course any staff who moved over didn't just forget about it's existence when they changed employer
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If staff from Disney have never touched any tapes from the TVS archive stored at the Maidstone Studios and do not have any paperwork mentioning any of the programmes then it is possible that the real owners of the tapes are the Maidstone Studios and not Disney because they are located on their premises and nobody else has any proof of ownership.
Hmmm, this isn't Storage Wars. If Maidstone Studios were renting out space for storage of the tapes then they'd know who it was renting it to, and Disney aren't some individual who can just disappear.
The only reason that Maidstone Studios would have cared about them is if the payments for the space stopped being paid. They wouldn't go 'woohoo, we've an archive of tapes' - they'd serve notice for payment and if that didn't work they'd order some skips.
I suspect they're in some warehouse somewhere because it's cheaper. After all there's no need for the archive to be physically located in a TV studio centre
Because the paperwork has to be around at all times, Challenge would have had paperwork about who get what money etc, If not then how would anyone get paid if the paperwork went missing , what Roy walker come a knocking?
As I said, the residuals and money paid to who it was owed would likely have been done so at the time the contract was signed. As the paperwork was around and the money paid at the time the contract was sorted, it wouldn't matter that the paperwork went missing afterwards as the deal was done. If they had a contract to be able to show the show for (for example) 3 years, then they'd be able to show it for 3 years, the TVS paperwork going missing in the interim wouldn't have affected that. Roy Walker wouldn't have "come knocking" as he'd already have had his money paid when the contract was signed. How is this so hard to grasp?