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Spencer
Soupnzi posted:
The Patsy Palmer row highlights lots of issues going on at the moment, but most of all, poor production behind the scenes.


Does it though? It was clearly an error of judgement in this instance, which when you’re making 15 hours of live television a week, is going to happen at some point. I don’t think you can read anything more into it than that. There would be some interviewees perfectly comfortable with that strap.
MA
Meridian AM
timbouk posted:
Just for a matter of interest would that strap have to be cleared by a ‘graphics producer’ or such like before going to air?


Presumably their Graphic Designer, Editor, Researcher, Producer, etc, would all have some contribution to what the interviewee is asked about and what it's going to be about. Surely they write the lower thirds based on that?
Or, in the true tacky, tabloidy nature of this programme, maybe they decided to write the most sensationalist, headline-grabbing text they could hope to get away with...
NG
noggin Founding member
Meridian AM posted:
timbouk posted:
Just for a matter of interest would that strap have to be cleared by a ‘graphics producer’ or such like before going to air?


Presumably their Graphic Designer, Editor, Researcher, Producer, etc, would all have some contribution to what the interviewee is asked about and what it's going to be about. Surely they write the lower thirds based on that?
Or, in the true tacky, tabloidy nature of this programme, maybe they decided to write the most sensationalist, headline-grabbing text they could hope to get away with...


Very unlikely anyone from graphics would be involved in the editorial content of a lower third strap. Those are templated - so the designer would create the elements and an example to be loaded into the system, to be populated by CG instructions entered into iNews etc.

The editorial workflow involved in entering the text, complying the text as suitable, and then selecting that strap to be rendered and keyed will differ between different operations. It could be as few as one or two people who actively read that caption with an 'is this appropriate' mindset (rather than an 'is this the correct code and is the spelling right' mindset)
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Meridian AM
Spencer posted:
Soupnzi posted:
The Patsy Palmer row highlights lots of issues going on at the moment, but most of all, poor production behind the scenes.


Does it though? It was clearly an error of judgement in this instance, which when you’re making 15 hours of live television a week, is going to happen at some point. I don’t think you can read anything more into it than that. There would be some interviewees perfectly comfortable with that strap.


They could have put 'actress' rather than 'addict', considering it is many years ago since she was an addict and was more recently an actress.
Her being an addict years ago obviously has nothing to do with the current project she was there to discuss.
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Spencer
Meridian AM posted:
Spencer posted:
Soupnzi posted:
The Patsy Palmer row highlights lots of issues going on at the moment, but most of all, poor production behind the scenes.


Does it though? It was clearly an error of judgement in this instance, which when you’re making 15 hours of live television a week, is going to happen at some point. I don’t think you can read anything more into it than that. There would be some interviewees perfectly comfortable with that strap.


They could have put 'actress' rather than 'addict', considering it is many years ago since she was an addict and was more recently an actress.
Her being an addict years ago obviously has nothing to do with the current project she was there to discuss.


I agree. As I said, it was an error of judgement - I just don't think you can judge the standards of production based on one mis-judged strap.
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radiolistener
Soupnzi posted:
The Patsy Palmer row highlights lots of issues going on at the moment, but most of all, poor production behind the scenes.


GMB is utterly tabloid editorially hence why Morgan was originally employed for it.
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bilky asko
valley posted:
Markymark posted:
Soupnzi posted:
The Patsy Palmer row highlights lots of issues going on at the moment, but most of all, poor production behind the scenes.


Interesting that the contributors see the 'program out' of the show on their device. I think on the BBC all the interviewee sees is a big BBC logo to stare at ?

Why would they only show that? Sometimes it’s important for contributors to see the preceding VT or some overlay. Bit odd if that is what the BBC do.


I am sure such an image has been posted on multiple occasions. It included instructions on where the interviewee should look.
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noggin Founding member
Flux posted:
Markymark posted:
Soupnzi posted:
The Patsy Palmer row highlights lots of issues going on at the moment, but most of all, poor production behind the scenes.


Interesting that the contributors see the 'program out' of the show on their device. I think on the BBC all the interviewee sees is a big BBC logo to stare at ?


I doubt that's true, and if it is then it must be an anomaly on a few specific shows for a reason. See the One Show for example, where interviewees are often asked for their reaction to a VT, or a few weeks ago where Russell T Davies made a point of trying to "look at" Alex Jones when he was on the screen next to her being interviewed - there must have been a visual guide for him to be able to do that.

In my experience, the aim is always for the interviewee to see a version of programme out - even during pre-records. Mainly so they can actually see the presenters and their reaction to them, secondly so they can react to any overlays or VTs played in during and before the interview, and thirdly to avoid them having the programme playing on another device to see themselves (which would obviously cause feedback from the delayed broadcast).


In many cases BBC News contributors just see a BBC Logo with instructions where to look on their Skype/Zoom return video.

Routing the correct reverse vision to contributors is actually quite complex, as it doesn't happen automatically along with the gallery-to-gallery switching in BNCS, and requires an additional manual route to be done in MCR as contributors switch between studios.

There are only so many Zoom and Skype engines that provide reverse vision as a result, though this number has increased since the beginning of the pandemic.

The One Show clearly often books the engines that have reverse vision, and as their guests are unlikely to be handed between other studios in NBH, this is a more straightforward process (as the reverse vision can be routed at the same time as the call is established). The One Show also has a greater requirement for reverse vision as guests like to see the content, other guests, and to see that they are on-air.
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valley
noggin posted:
Flux posted:
Markymark posted:

Interesting that the contributors see the 'program out' of the show on their device. I think on the BBC all the interviewee sees is a big BBC logo to stare at ?


I doubt that's true, and if it is then it must be an anomaly on a few specific shows for a reason. See the One Show for example, where interviewees are often asked for their reaction to a VT, or a few weeks ago where Russell T Davies made a point of trying to "look at" Alex Jones when he was on the screen next to her being interviewed - there must have been a visual guide for him to be able to do that.

In my experience, the aim is always for the interviewee to see a version of programme out - even during pre-records. Mainly so they can actually see the presenters and their reaction to them, secondly so they can react to any overlays or VTs played in during and before the interview, and thirdly to avoid them having the programme playing on another device to see themselves (which would obviously cause feedback from the delayed broadcast).


In many cases BBC News contributors just see a BBC Logo with instructions where to look on their Skype/Zoom return video.

Routing the correct reverse vision to contributors is actually quite complex, as it doesn't happen automatically along with the gallery-to-gallery switching in BNCS, and requires an additional manual route to be done in MCR as contributors switch between studios.

There are only so many Zoom and Skype engines that provide reverse vision as a result, though this number has increased since the beginning of the pandemic.

The One Show clearly often books the engines that have reverse vision, and as their guests are unlikely to be handed between other studios in NBH, this is a more straightforward process (as the reverse vision can be routed at the same time as the call is established). The One Show also has a greater requirement for reverse vision as guests like to see the content, other guests, and to see that they are on-air.

Interesting. I suppose it’s a bit easier for Sky News / Sports News as you can just feed them with the TX output rather than having to route a particular gallery output.
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scottishtv Founding member
Aside from the story - on a technical point, isn't it normal for the studio presenters to see the final output?

I found Susanna's claim "I had no idea that was on the screen" a little surprising. Perhaps the text was too small for her to read a distance or something, rather than she couldn't see any text on screen at all...?
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TVEngineer
scottishtv posted:
Aside from the story - on a technical point, isn't it normal for the studio presenters to see the final output?

I found Susanna's claim "I had no idea that was on the screen" a little surprising. Perhaps the text was too small for her to read a distance or something, rather than she couldn't see any text on screen at all...?


You've answered this yourself - perhaps also adding the fact that as a presenter you're busy maintaining eye contact with a camera lens and every other screen in the studio is in your peripheral vision - you'd only glance at it briefly during a VT to check you're not still cut to air.
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Soupnzi
Spencer posted:
Soupnzi posted:
The Patsy Palmer row highlights lots of issues going on at the moment, but most of all, poor production behind the scenes.


Does it though? It was clearly an error of judgement in this instance, which when you’re making 15 hours of live television a week, is going to happen at some point. I don’t think you can read anything more into it than that. There would be some interviewees perfectly comfortable with that strap.

This programme has just broadcast the most-complained about moment of all time, which does suggest their editorial processes are not entirely robust. Yes, it came out of Piers’ mouth, but it was the mother of all errors of judgments to allow him to just let rip like that.

Clearly by the Tuesday morning they were trying to back-pedal slightly by allowing Alex and Hilary to contribute on set (re race and mental health respectively). They should have been there to challenge Piers’ rant on the Monday.

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