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JP
Joe Public
chrisb posted:
Excellent insight into the accuracy of the BBC News there.

"... eh...? what's the love? a bomb love? ok love. ... how many dead? ... what do you mean we don't know love? ... well I'll just say eight then ... everyone happy with that? right ..."
<thunderclaps>
"EIGHT DEAD!"

Very Happy

Noticable with her is that she speaks completely differently when she's in newsreader mode.


I work in a call centre (I know its not the same) but we all have a different voice on the phone when dealing with customers. I suppose it IS our telephone voice. Its not something that we are trained on its more like that you speak to that many people with different accents and they dont always understand yours (mine) so unless you have a very thick accent like welsh or scottish it seems to blend into an accent that everyone can understand without having to think about changing it for different customers.
DO
Dog
DAS posted:
Dog, the supposed expert who gets things wrong more often that not: it is common practice for BBC News to broadcast as normal (ie live) specially for Scotland when they time shift (and other nations I presume). Hence the programme specific handover at the end of the programme.


I never said I was an expert. But if you wish to play games, go ahead.

The Nationals are not done again for Scotland. They sometimes record an end for Reporting Scotland, then do an edit. However, usually they simply play the programme down the line to Scotland. Fact.

I've never known the National News to be played to any other nation or region.

Other interesting info:
When Newsnight regionalised the last part of the programme (since dropped) the nations that went back to the national programme after a local news at 11pm, replayed it off a time delay server. Scotland thought ditched the last 20 mins of the national programme in full.
SL
SteveL
Re-it-er-ate posted:
SteveL posted:
Davidjb posted:
Love it Love. Shows just how human Jane Hill is. I always thought she was fab.

She is very human in real life. I've only met her once, but she was very friendly and laid back. I think it's just put on stuck-upness for BBC News, as it carries a certain amount of prestiege.


Did she call anyone Love nearby?

Funnily enough, no! Razz

And I wonder if she's seen the bulletin. Perhaps we should email her the link - although it's been replaced now.
NE
Noelfirl
SteveL posted:
Re-it-er-ate posted:
SteveL posted:
Davidjb posted:
Love it Love. Shows just how human Jane Hill is. I always thought she was fab.

She is very human in real life. I've only met her once, but she was very friendly and laid back. I think it's just put on stuck-upness for BBC News, as it carries a certain amount of prestiege.


Did she call anyone Love nearby?

Funnily enough, no! Razz

And I wonder if she's seen the bulletin. Perhaps we should email her the link - although it's been replaced now.


She really is fab in that audio bit. Tut tut, she should know better then anybody that thats a rear projection screen, not a plasma Rolling Eyes Wink
AS
Aston
Noelfirl posted:
She really is fab in that audio bit. Tut tut, she should know better then anybody that thats a rear projection screen, not a plasma Rolling Eyes Wink


In my experience it's generally standard practice to call any large "flat" screen a plasma when it's in a TV studio.

It makes more sense to use one expression for things that genearlly do the same job than use three. It's usually the one which is shortest and easiest to say that sticks - ie "plasma" instead of "rear projection screen"...
NG
noggin Founding member
Dog posted:
DAS posted:
Dog, the supposed expert who gets things wrong more often that not: it is common practice for BBC News to broadcast as normal (ie live) specially for Scotland when they time shift (and other nations I presume). Hence the programme specific handover at the end of the programme.


I never said I was an expert. But if you wish to play games, go ahead.

The Nationals are not done again for Scotland. They sometimes record an end for Reporting Scotland, then do an edit. However, usually they simply play the programme down the line to Scotland. Fact.

I've never known the National News to be played to any other nation or region.

Other interesting info:
When Newsnight regionalised the last part of the programme (since dropped) the nations that went back to the national programme after a local news at 11pm, replayed it off a time delay server. Scotland thought ditched the last 20 mins of the national programme in full.


Sorry Dog - you are incorrect.

In recent years it has become commonplace for the national news team in London to do special, live bulletins into BBC Scotland presentation, when BBC One Scotland's schedule (normally sport) means they can't take the network scheduled bulletin.

They are NOT pre-recorded - they are often a different duration to the network bulletin, and quite often will have updated headlines (if the news has changed) and possibly a slightly different story mix. This is the reason they are NOT recorded earlier. However if a live 2way from somewhere expensive was part of the network bulletin AND the story has not moved on, it is possible that a previously live interview will be repeated. However it will not be referred to as live and won't have the live bug.

They do NOT "simply play the programme down the line to Scotland" as you seem to believe... The director in London has a reverse vision feed (annoyingly delayed) and talkback to the BBC Scotland Pres anno/director. An agreed on-air time is worked to though - as the pres director is also the announcer and cannot count the show on-air!

I KNOW this to be the case... AFAIK only Scotland currently request additionaly bulletins - I don't know of Wales or Northern Ireland only programmes being made.

You are correct about Newsnight being Profile (or other server) delayed in the days of the Newsnight Wales and Northern Ireland opts - however doesn't Newsnight Scotland still exist?
TE
TELEVISION
noggin posted:
[However doesn't Newsnight Scotland still exist?


Yes
MO
Moz
noggin posted:
Dog posted:
DAS posted:
Dog, the supposed expert who gets things wrong more often that not: it is common practice for BBC News to broadcast as normal (ie live) specially for Scotland when they time shift (and other nations I presume). Hence the programme specific handover at the end of the programme.


I never said I was an expert. But if you wish to play games, go ahead.

The Nationals are not done again for Scotland. They sometimes record an end for Reporting Scotland, then do an edit. However, usually they simply play the programme down the line to Scotland. Fact.

I've never known the National News to be played to any other nation or region.

Other interesting info:
When Newsnight regionalised the last part of the programme (since dropped) the nations that went back to the national programme after a local news at 11pm, replayed it off a time delay server. Scotland thought ditched the last 20 mins of the national programme in full.


Sorry Dog - you are incorrect.

In recent years it has become commonplace for the national news team in London to do special, live bulletins into BBC Scotland presentation, when BBC One Scotland's schedule (normally sport) means they can't take the network scheduled bulletin.

They are NOT pre-recorded - they are often a different duration to the network bulletin, and quite often will have updated headlines (if the news has changed) and possibly a slightly different story mix. This is the reason they are NOT recorded earlier. However if a live 2way from somewhere expensive was part of the network bulletin AND the story has not moved on, it is possible that a previously live interview will be repeated. However it will not be referred to as live and won't have the live bug.

They do NOT "simply play the programme down the line to Scotland" as you seem to believe... The director in London has a reverse vision feed (annoyingly delayed) and talkback to the BBC Scotland Pres anno/director. An agreed on-air time is worked to though - as the pres director is also the announcer and cannot count the show on-air!

I KNOW this to be the case... AFAIK only Scotland currently request additionaly bulletins - I don't know of Wales or Northern Ireland only programmes being made.

You are correct about Newsnight being Profile (or other server) delayed in the days of the Newsnight Wales and Northern Ireland opts - however doesn't Newsnight Scotland still exist?


I'd tell BBC Scotland to stuff themselves!

Why should we waste BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation license fee on stupid nationalists that want to do their own thing.

Let them fit in with the rest of us!
:-(
A former member
Moz posted:

I'd tell BBC Scotland to stuff themselves!

Why should we waste BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation license fee on stupid nationalists that want to do their own thing.

Let them fit in with the rest of us!


I would imagine that the additional cost of this extra bulletin would be very minimal, given that studios, edit suites etc would be manned anyway.... and since, as you say, it is the BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation, not the ENGLISH Broadcasting Corporation, it's only right that Scotland should be provided with this service - the Scots pay the licence fee too, after all.

If you follow your argument about fitting in with 'rest of us' to its logical conclusion, then you're saying that the BBC shouldn't provide BBC Scotland, Wales and NI services at all, just a 'one size fits all' pan-UK service.
MO
Moz
Macadam posted:
Moz posted:

I'd tell BBC Scotland to stuff themselves!

Why should we waste BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation license fee on stupid nationalists that want to do their own thing.

Let them fit in with the rest of us!


If you follow your argument about fitting in with 'rest of us' to its logical conclusion, then you're saying that the BBC shouldn't provide BBC Scotland, Wales and NI services at all, just a 'one size fits all' pan-UK service.


I'd be quite happy with that!
NG
noggin Founding member
Macadam posted:
Moz posted:

I'd tell BBC Scotland to stuff themselves!

Why should we waste BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation license fee on stupid nationalists that want to do their own thing.

Let them fit in with the rest of us!


I would imagine that the additional cost of this extra bulletin would be very minimal, given that studios, edit suites etc would be manned anyway.... and since, as you say, it is the BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation, not the ENGLISH Broadcasting Corporation, it's only right that Scotland should be provided with this service - the Scots pay the licence fee too, after all.

If you follow your argument about fitting in with 'rest of us' to its logical conclusion, then you're saying that the BBC shouldn't provide BBC Scotland, Wales and NI services at all, just a 'one size fits all' pan-UK service.


Yep - assuming no lives using non-BBC satellite space are used then the net cost is nothing... The benefits are that BBC Scotland get a news bulletin that is live, not recorded, that fits into their schedule. This is normally a result of SPL football - which cannot easily be moved to fit into the networked schedule...

It really is a "One BBC" solution - the viewer benefits by getting a live bulletin, and the BBC doesn't have to pay a significant amount, if anything, extra to provide it. As long as it doesn't become a regular thing, I don't see a problem with it.
EM
Elektrik Media
Moz posted:
Macadam posted:
Moz posted:

I'd tell BBC Scotland to stuff themselves!

Why should we waste BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation license fee on stupid nationalists that want to do their own thing.

Let them fit in with the rest of us!


If you follow your argument about fitting in with 'rest of us' to its logical conclusion, then you're saying that the BBC shouldn't provide BBC Scotland, Wales and NI services at all, just a 'one size fits all' pan-UK service.


I'd be quite happy with that!


Well I live in The Netherlands now- but was born and raised in Linlithgow, and I remember how annoying it was to have everything London-centric.

It seemed like if a major story broke in Scotland- it would be 4th or 5th in the running order- whereas (taking things to the extreme) if someone dropped a milkbottle in Camden and was suing the dairy- it would get a higher placing.

It is, however, arguable whether there is enough to fill a 30-minute news programme in addition to Reporting Scotland... there lies the argument.

The Scots have expressed their wish at the polls to be slightly removed from Westminster, so this would be a logical progression in those peoples minds...

But then theres this... if the 6 becomes a scottish news service- then Reprting Scotland would then also be a national Scottish news service???

The only way to implement this would be the 6 being the national Scottish news with inserts from London- and the 6.30 slot being given over to Regional news such as Glasgow tonight, or (for example) Inside Inverness or something like that... depending upon which region or sub-opt you would receive.

Just my two eurocents worth!

DG

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