6pm or around then seems to be the norm for the main bulletin on the majority of local tv channels so far.
(Mustard TV is 5.45-6.15 with a repeat at 7pm)
Which is utter madness in my opinion (and many others), what is the point of trying to compete with other more established, better resourced National/Regional services.
6pm or around then seems to be the norm for the main bulletin on the majority of local tv channels so far.
(Mustard TV is 5.45-6.15 with a repeat at 7pm)
Which is utter madness in my opinion (and many others), what is the point of trying to compete with other more established, better resourced National/Regional services.
If you look at those channels outside London, the competing BBC/ITV regions cover a much wider area. The niche in this instance is that the news is closer to home. In London however, the editorial areas for BBC/ITV and London Live aren't that much different with only tokenistic coverage of the home counties on BBC/ITV.
Isn't the thing in London that due to long commutes and long working hours, few are home for traditional regional news at 6pm?
So surely in London even more than anywhere else it makes more sense to air evening news programmes in the 7pm hour?
My guess is they're doing a 'Channel 5' with the news output during the peak and shunting it to 6pm means they can show entertainment earlier.
If that's the case, I don't see why they can't just swap the two new programmes around. The Evening Show would provide a lighter alternative to the BBC and ITV regional news from 6-7, and the news would be an alternative to the soaps and chat elsewhere at 7.
I normally get in from work between 6 and 7, and often the telly doesn't go on until 7 - so I'd be in the market for local news at 7.
I get home at 6pm, our TV doesn't generally go on until 9pm (and our kids are grown up now !), I'd go for local news at 22:30hrs
Which is the very slot I feel ITV should be going for with their Regions. ITV could have provided a better proposal in 2014 with no out of area nonsense by producing a 20 minute sub-Regional programme at 22:30. A true alternative to the BBC...though as stated previously by Brekkie it's the advertising revenue that could suffer. Would surely pull in more viewers for News At Ten though?
With the London Live programme I agree though this could work. With less News around the peak time, they could show more popular programme that may pull viewers away from other channels. I'm still not sure if this will be the case but it would be great to see Local TV perform well in this country (whether that be as a Network or separate Local stations).
You do seem to have an unhealthy obsession with the timings of ITV Regional News!
Back to London and the local stations in general and it's a bit ridiculous if the only peak time news requirement is for 30 minutes of news between 6pm and 10.30pm when the 6pm hour is well served by regional news. Would make more sense for a requirement for a bulletin after 7pm.
I doubt London Live will risk losing the tiny audience they have in primetime by swapping one of their re-runs for a news bulletin, however good it is.
Isn't the thing in London that due to long commutes and long working hours, few are home for traditional regional news at 6pm?
So surely in London even more than anywhere else it makes more sense to air evening news programmes in the 7pm hour?
My guess is they're doing a 'Channel 5' with the news output during the peak and shunting it to 6pm means they can show entertainment earlier.
If that's the case, I don't see why they can't just swap the two new programmes around. The Evening Show would provide a lighter alternative to the BBC and ITV regional news from 6-7, and the news would be an alternative to the soaps and chat elsewhere at 7.
I normally get in from work between 6 and 7, and often the telly doesn't go on until 7 - so I'd be in the market for local news at 7.
I get home at 6pm, our TV doesn't generally go on until 9pm (and our kids are grown up now !), I'd go for local news at 22:30hrs
Which is the very slot I feel ITV should be going for with their Regions. ITV could have provided a better proposal in 2014 with no out of area nonsense by producing a 20 minute sub-Regional programme at 22:30. A true alternative to the BBC...though as stated previously by Brekkie it's the advertising revenue that could suffer. Would surely pull in more viewers for News At Ten though?
With the London Live programme I agree though this could work. With less News around the peak time, they could show more popular programme that may pull viewers away from other channels. I'm still not sure if this will be the case but it would be great to see Local TV perform well in this country (whether that be as a Network or separate Local stations).
You do seem to have an unhealthy obsession with the timings of ITV Regional News!
Back to London and the local stations in general and it's a bit ridiculous if the only peak time news requirement is for 30 minutes of news between 6pm and 10.30pm when the 6pm hour is well served by regional news. Would make more sense for a requirement for a bulletin after 7pm.
Yes I know, I just want the best service possible from ITV within their limited resources...it's fair to say I'm not a fan of the current or previous Licence agreements.
Anyway back on topic, as already stated I totally agree with what you're saying about the Local Station's News requirements. Though as SuperDave says it's unlikely to be between 7 and 10:30pm when the Local TV channels should be looking to gain an audience. Therefore surely Ofcom have to get real and allow the Local channels to move their main bulletin to 10:30pm (should they wish, with maybe an earlier programme between 4:30 and 6pm)...they wouldn't be the first channels to request Prime Time is extended for all commercial channels to 11pm (as UTV did previously...).
What's the point though in these local channels existing if they're not offering local news between 7-10pm? The news service needs to be the backbone of these channels.
LL will be showing London episodes of Cash in the Attic from Monday at 5pm. Presumably as part of the re-targeting of the channel to an older audience.
What's the point though in these local channels existing if they're not offering local news between 7-10pm? The news service needs to be the backbone of these channels.
I know what you're saying and of course in a perfect world you're right. The problem is these channels have got to find some way of being viable. That's the issue with the Local TV experiment so far though isn't it? Is there any point in them existing?
Of course even if there isn't a main News bulletin between 7 and 10:30pm, that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a 5 minute News bulletin somewhere within Peak Time.
What's the point though in these local channels existing if they're not offering local news between 7-10pm? The news service needs to be the backbone of these channels.
I know what you're saying and of course in a perfect world you're right. The problem is these channels have got to find some way of being viable.
Are these two things really mutually exclusive? I'd have thought that a strong local news service that isn't available elsewhere on TV could help with viability just as much as repeats of old network comedies and dramas, which are available in abundance.
KCAL and KTLA in Los Angeles are both stations which build their brands around their news output rather than (respectively) their random acquisitions or weak CW networked shows.
The big problem Mark is that London Live doesn't have a strong local news service. It doesn't have a very strong local anything right now, and as much as I hope things will improve dramatically with The Evening News and The Evening Show, I'm not holding my breath.
The big problem Mark is that London Live doesn't have a strong local news service. It doesn't have a very strong local anything right now, and as much as I hope things will improve dramatically with The Evening News and The Evening Show, I'm not holding my breath.
Agreed and this is despite sharing resources with the Evening Standard and Independent.
I have a feeling The Evening News will be a hybrid of Wake Up London and Headline London.
