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Who? How? Why? (March 2011)

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DE
deejay
It's gone one stage further in most regions now, where four audio tracks are used: 1 and 2 mixed stereo sound for transmission (including the reporter's voiceover) and split sync and effects on tracks 3 and 4. That way the archive has clean effects if you need to re-use it as library pictures and clean in and outs on any clips.
WW
WW Update
This may be of interest to some of you -- a behind-the-scenes report from 1980 about how the local news in New York was put together every day:



Some things have changed immensely, while others have remained pretty much the same.
IS
Inspector Sands
It's gone one stage further in most regions now, where four audio tracks are used: 1 and 2 mixed stereo sound for transmission (including the reporter's voiceover) and split sync and effects on tracks 3 and 4. That way the archive has clean effects if you need to re-use it as library pictures and clean in and outs on any clips.

Interesting, I suppose that's so they can put out reports in stereo and don't have to mess around with the mixing desk? Is that all done automatically in the edit software or does it take extra work to do?
Last edited by Inspector Sands on 22 May 2012 12:28am
GE
thegeek Founding member
Would they ever put out an obit voiced by an ex-reporter? I am sure I recently saw one which fell into this category. I think it was someone like Jeremy Vine or Shaun Ley who voiced it - both are still BBC staff - just not reporters. Of course I could be completely mistaken, but I remember thinking it was odd at the time.
I've never seen such a thing on TV, but I did once read an obituary in a newspaper (possibly the Guardian), which had a note at the end that the author had predeceased the subject.

This article from The Independent a few years ago by the outgoing head of the BBC Obituary Unit may also be of interest: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/obits--reporting-the-dead-401854.html
DE
deejay
It's gone one stage further in most regions now, where four audio tracks are used: 1 and 2 mixed stereo sound for transmission (including the reporter's voiceover) and split sync and effects on tracks 3 and 4. That way the archive has clean effects if you need to re-use it as library pictures and clean in and outs on any clips.

Interesting, I suppose that's so they can put out reports in stereo and don't have to mess around with the mixing desk? Is that all done automatically in the edit software or does it take extra work to do?


It's easy enough to achieve in Quantel, which most English Regions have. In Quantel up to 8 audio tracks can be used and they can individually be stereo or mono and can be patched to any of 8 outputs (though only 4 are supported by most installations). The reporter cuts the package as they've always done, putting mono synch onto one track and mono effects onto another, then adding a mono voiceover on track 3. Any music used in the package is put onto track 4 (in stereo). Before publishing, tracks 1, 2 and 3 (and 4 if there's music) are 'patched' to Stereo outputs 1 and 2 (L/R) and the final sound balance is done, listening to the package in stereo. Finally the Synch and Effects tracks are copied to a further two tracks, which are patched to outputs 3 and 4.

On transmission, the sound op should in theory only have to open the fader to zero level and set it to stereo. If everything's been done properly in the newsroom if it's been cut stereo it'll go out stereo, if it's been cut mono it'll go out dual mono. If you get split track going out, the sound op has to quickly mono the channel!

This is only in BBC English Regions with Quantel though. Everywhere else still works split track. Quite why regions were told to work this way I haven't been able to establish. It was put in place years ago when the first regions got Quantel (when Look East moved to The Forum I think). It may have been something to do with the way things were archived ...
IS
Inspector Sands
It sounds to me like a work-around they came up with in the early days to get around some problem.

I suppose they have to be careful with any packages they get from the national news as they will be split
DE
deejay
Absolutely and regions used to have to arrange for the split version of packages to be sent from neighbouring regions so that they could reversion it or get clips and OOVs out of it. All rather unsatisfactory for a number of years. Now with filesharing arrangements across the regional centres finally in place it rather easier.
IS
Inspector Sands
Absolutely and regions used to have to arrange for the split version of packages to be sent from neighbouring regions so that they could reversion it or get clips and OOVs out of it. All rather unsatisfactory for a number of years. Now with filesharing arrangements across the regional centres finally in place it rather easier.

Because the lines between are only 2 track?

What about when they get packages to play from the national news, do they just have to remember to mono the desk?
TM
Telly Media
Assuming you have natural audio on one channel and voiceover on the other ... I think they would normally remove the reporter's original voice track (using Avid or whatever editing software they're using) before sending it to the gallery for play-out into the bulletin.
IS
Inspector Sands
Assuming you have natural audio on one channel and voiceover on the other ... I think they would normally remove the reporter's original voice track (using Avid or whatever editing software they're using) before sending it to the gallery for play-out into the bulletin.

Well no, they'd have to leave the reporters voice on but it would go out split so would take extra work.

Mind you the policy when I worked at the BBC was to remove the national news out-cue so they'd have to be edited anyway

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JW
JamesWorldNews
http://www2.tv-ark.org.uk/news/itvnews/late.html#

how does the "drop-in" here appear to be truly behind Alastair, when the images are superimposed onto the picture?

If you look closely, you can see his silhouette appears to pass slightly in front of the image, rather than him disappearing behind it due to his sudden movements.

I'm referring to the bottom right hand image of Alastair Burnet in 1981 News at Ten.
GE
thegeek Founding member
It's just just a simple bit of CSO, is it?

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