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STV have the right to opt out!

http://www.scotsman.com/scotland/STV-39still-relevant39-without-some.5746230.jp
"We are using a right to opt out under a clause called the devolution clause which was put in place ten years ago at the time of devolution," he said.
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SOL
We knew that already, they've said that for weeks.
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aberdeenboy
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Gavin Scott Founding member
I am fed up - TOTALLY fed up with the slant and misinformation perpetuated in other Scottish media outlets in this matter.

I have just read the Scotsman opinion piece which touches on the article linked to, and again they are quoting a "12%" drop across the day... viewers "voting with their remotes" etc.

This is a completely bogus argument. The 12% reflects a drop across DAYTIME not PEAK. Aside from The Hour, there is no opting across the day.

STV continues to gain a larger share in peak than network manages to achieve - a fact which STV have tried to make plain.

I know for a fact that certain Edinburgh based publications have declined several invitations from the press office at STV to discuss these facts, and instead they are wilfully printing erroneous statements.

And Aberdeenboy - what "spirit" of network are you referring to? The one they had in 1985 when STV were actually one of the influential voices at the table?

No such spirit has existed for many years. ITVplc have all of the bargaining power with regard to commissions these days - so why would STV play lapdog to that? They are, as you correctly say, perfectly entitled to create their own schedule for their patch.
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A former member
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This is a completely bogus argument. The 12% reflects a drop across DAYTIME not PEAK. Aside from The Hour, there is no opting across the day.


Stv does opt out a lot during the day, but it just tends to be Same programmers at different times. Dickenson real deal being one of the more poplour shows.

* 3 Crap gameshows and Alan ticth marsh have been ditched, ( and really there are BAD)
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Gavin Scott Founding member
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This is a completely bogus argument. The 12% reflects a drop across DAYTIME not PEAK. Aside from The Hour, there is no opting across the day.


Stv does opt out a lot during the day, but it just tends to be Same programmers at different times. Dickenson real deal being one of the more poplour shows.

* 3 Crap gameshows and Alan ticth marsh have been ditched, ( and really there are BAD)


I said, "aside from The Hour", which was the Titchmarsh and gameshow slot.

You're obsessed with that man Dickinson. I'm not even sure his weird wife thinks about him as much as you Shocked Wink
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A former member
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This is a completely bogus argument. The 12% reflects a drop across DAYTIME not PEAK. Aside from The Hour, there is no opting across the day.


Stv does opt out a lot during the day, but it just tends to be Same programmers at different times. Dickenson real deal being one of the more poplour shows.

* 3 Crap gameshows and Alan ticth marsh have been ditched, ( and really there are BAD)


I said, "aside from The Hour", which was the Titchmarsh and gameshow slot.

You're obsessed with that man Dickinson. I'm not even sure his weird wife thinks about him as much as you Shocked Wink


Actually Alan Titchmarsh show is at 3pm. Not 5pm so stv are moving other shows around.

I believe Britain best dish is at 5pm which has been moved to 3pm,

whats wrong with Dickerson real deals, I wish it was on I player so I could catch it more often is great whos
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aberdeenboy
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A former member
And yet STV are still taking 90% of itv1
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aberdeenboy
90% by volume though... not 90% by cost.
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A former member
90% by volume though... not 90% by cost.


Why should we pay for crap tv. like Al murry, Miss marple rip off. Joan Does Glammer? or even alan Titch march
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Gavin Scott Founding member
I've no idea how the opt out was framed contractually. But the understanding certainly was that it would normally only be used for certain programmes at the fringes of the schedule - not peak time drama. Have a look at any articles from the time from Broadcast or the quality press if you don't believe me!! Wink


Hmm. An "understanding", you say? That doesn't sound terribly specific from a contractual point of view.

A gentleman's agreement, perhaps, to all go with the same peak time network material - but there's no gentlemen left in the current climate.

Would be interesting to see if there is such a clause in place, as I though the right to opt was enshrined in the licence.

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However I quite agree with you about the stuff in The Scotsman and elsewhere. We're seeing too little heat - and not enough light - from the fourth estate. We need to try to separate discussion about what is really a strategy by STV Group to ensure it has a future from what we may think as viewers about individual creative and scheduling decisions. All of us with satellite and cable are indeed able to vote with our remotes if we disagree with STV's decisions.


Even taking those issues in turn, I remain to be convinced that there is a massive feeling of loss from the viewers. Its simply not born out in the figures that I've seen. More than that, we've yet to see the new shows come on line.

The real question is whether competing media empires are serving the Scots people well by peddling half-truths about the results of STV's strategy.

Clearly the last thing we need here is for a Scottish broadcaster (one who commissions new Scottish work and keeps programme makers north of the border) to be run into the ground by self-serving publishers.

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