Tv ark: Relaunch and beyond

Well I'd take issue with that. You can get some beautiful quality clips in flash if you encode it well enough. It's not something I've investigated well but Bail's storyfix vid he posted using the TVF video player was pretty amazing.

Youtube's quality is horrid however, but the problem with youtube is mainnly with silly little children for whom downloading the flash would be more problematic. Dare I suggest using flash as the standard quality and offering a high quality download? Perhaps behind a membership form or something like that?

Good idea Hyma - I'd also suggest only using the DOG on the hi-res downloads.

I don't see why sites like TVArk can't embrace sites like YouTube instead of constantly fighting against it. Sure, upload the clips to Real Player, but why not upload them to YouTube as well, under an official TVArk account (in the same way as the BBC do www.youtube.com/bbc ).

Or is there some reason why you can't do this?

It's painful and time consuming enough having to sit here on a sunny Bank Holiday recapturing clips and recreating pages without having to worry about You Tube. I personally don't give a toss about You Tube.

I expect we have continued to use Real Video because it annoys everyone on this forum so much. All I ever read when I visit these pages is whinging and criticism for a site that I maintain just for the love of it, and at great expense in terms of my time. So the more you all whinge and groan, the more I wish to cause you annoyance.

you're either a moron or a troll. I hope its the second because it would be a shame to have such wonderful archive material in the hands of idiots who cannot see when people are trying to suggest new and easier ways to make the site fun and enjoyable whilst still stopping the annoyance that is youtube.

"New" and "easier" ways to make the site fun and enjoyable??!?! What?!?!? Can you explain how duplicating material on YouTube makes things "easier"???? TV-Ark is a site in its own right; why the hell should it "embrace" YouTube??

I have given up posting on TV Forum because of this type of comment. You clearly have no comprehension of or respect for the amount of time, monetary expense and dedication that working on a site such as TV-Ark involves; nor do many of the people that post on this forum, if the idiotic, bizarre comments that appear on here are anything to go by.

can you take Legal action against Youtube

If EMI can do it for a crap Robbie willaim teh you should be allowed aswell!

Even if "Marcus B from TV ARK" is a troll and not actually the real Marcus, the message makes a perfectly valid point. Recreating pages for a new look or content management system is not an easy or a swift task, something I know from my own experience with non television-related websites. Add to that having to re-encode clips at a painfully slow rate and then having someone taking it at their own convenience and putting it up on Youtube without any credit, and you end up with something that I couldn't cope with. The TV Ark people should be congratulated for their hard work on this.

[WELL DONE

TV ARK PEOPLE

for all you HARD WORK!

How would that work? It's not like TV ARK owns the clips - the broadcasters do, even though TV ARK spent time and effort encoding them. It's sort of a grey area.

However, many of the clips have a TV Ark logo, which they do own the copyright to. Therefore the broadcaster AND TV Ark could jointly sue either Youtube or the uploader.

That's no troll, that's our Marcus, and I can vouch for those being his views. And he's right - you lot are just so ungrateful.


Thank you Mike, nice to see solidarity among pres sites!

I don't dismiss what someone else said about trying to fight YouTube; we are only too aware of how much they've grown in a very short time. But theirs is not the best product available, and if TV Ark can do it better why shouldn't we?

Mike and I take a lot of pride in the clips we upload to our respective sites, so why is it unreasonable for us to get upset seeing our work on YouTube? That said, I accept that of the ten TV Ark team members my stance on YouTube is perhaps the most hardline.

Similarly, GH Online has not added to its video pages for a long time now and partly because of the YouTube issue. At present, we do not endorse YouTube and even have "please don't YouTube" warnings on the site. But I know that if we embraced YouTube, we could get round the Mersey TV embargo on post-2003 clips. It's something I'll be putting to our "advisory panel".