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JAS84
Jonwo posted:
JAS84 posted:
Google probably automatically blocking stuff by mistake. Celador no longer owns Millionaire.


Millionaire is owned by Sony now so I would imagine they're very protected of the IP.
Maybe. But it should be Sony and not Celador taking down the Youtube videos. Therefore, it sounds like an automation error. The show is no longer Celador's to issue copyright strikes on.
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dosxuk
Google don't remove things for copyright reasons based on an automatic "hunch". Either nobody has updated the content in Google's database to show it's now not owned by Celador, or someone working for Celador (could be a 3rd party company) doesn't realise the show isn't part of their portfolio any more. Google would be causing themselves all sorts of legal problems if they were taking down content on someone else's behalf without instruction.
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JAS84
Google don't remove things for copyright reasons based on an automatic "hunch".
Yes they do. There was a big incident last week. Japanese TV producer Toei launched a globally available Youtube channel for subtitled tokusatsu shows. Youtube automatically issued copyright strikes saying it was Toei's copyright, resulting in the channel getting terminated by mistake. But the uploader was the copyright owner! Within a few hours, it was restored. So yes, they do remove things for copyright reasons without any human input, on, as you say, an automatic hunch.
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dosxuk
JAS84 posted:
Google don't remove things for copyright reasons based on an automatic "hunch".
Yes they do. There was a big incident last week. Japanese TV producer Toei launched a globally available Youtube channel for subtitled tokusatsu shows. Youtube automatically issued copyright strikes saying it was Toei's copyright, resulting in the channel getting terminated by mistake. But the uploader was the copyright owner! Within a few hours, it was restored. So yes, they do remove things for copyright reasons without any human input, on, as you say, an automatic hunch.


It's far more likely that Toei (or their lawyers) had already entered their content into the Google Content ID system, so when they uploaded it, it was automatically taken down. This isn't Google doing it off their own backs, it's Google doing what they're told to do.

There's plenty of examples of Content ID getting the wrong information entered, especially when broadcasters use original content from YouTube and upload it as part of a programme or segment, and then claim the original as their content, taking the original offline. Again, this isn't because Google are being annoying, on the whim of some AI algorithm deciding to take it offline, it's because lawyers and rights agencies are claiming the wrong stuff.
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SuperSajuuk
JAS84 posted:
Google don't remove things for copyright reasons based on an automatic "hunch".
Yes they do. There was a big incident last week. Japanese TV producer Toei launched a globally available Youtube channel for subtitled tokusatsu shows. Youtube automatically issued copyright strikes saying it was Toei's copyright, resulting in the channel getting terminated by mistake. But the uploader was the copyright owner! Within a few hours, it was restored. So yes, they do remove things for copyright reasons without any human input, on, as you say, an automatic hunch.


It's far more likely that Toei (or their lawyers) had already entered their content into the Google Content ID system, so when they uploaded it, it was automatically taken down. This isn't Google doing it off their own backs, it's Google doing what they're told to do.

There's plenty of examples of Content ID getting the wrong information entered, especially when broadcasters use original content from YouTube and upload it as part of a programme or segment, and then claim the original as their content, taking the original offline. Again, this isn't because Google are being annoying, on the whim of some AI algorithm deciding to take it offline, it's because lawyers and rights agencies are claiming the wrong stuff.

I would say in this case, it's unlikely to be Content ID as usually it applies almost immediately after the video has been uploaded, rarely do waves of similar claims happen and usually it's those audio MCN's like AdRev and Orchard acting on behalf of the claimant (which would be displayed in place of the actual claimants name on YouTube's watch page).


If it was after the fact, usually every video matching would be disabled at that point. Usually the footprint would be generic enough that i would expect most Millionaire uploads to have been removed by now, but there's still plenty of other Millionaire content on YouTube, including smaller channels which also have uploaded the said video clip. Indeed, after the previous clip I found got disabled, I found another channel which had the same video and which hasn't been disabled (yet).

Chances are, it's manual claims being sent by Celador, but all these uploaders would need to actually upload the said video to their own channels and see what type of claim comes in (automated or manual).
Last edited by SuperSajuuk on 12 April 2020 7:17pm - 3 times in total
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Steve in Pudsey
Obligatory Tom Scott video
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bkman1990
Does anyone here think Richard Osman will do well on tonight's episode?
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Johnr
Crikey, just finished the last commercial break and onto another!
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Capybara
John Barnes has just said that the person he's brought along tonight is "not the one coughing, so don't worry", very convenient reference there.
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A former member
One thing I’ve wondered recently... do they wait for the whole audience to choose an answer when someone decides to Ask the Audience?

Came to me again tonight on the football question - it didn’t strike me as something that 67% or whatever it was would know.
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Johnr
Nope, Chris even sometimes used to say ‘if you don’t know please don’t vote’ if a contestant was using ask the audience on some of the larger money questions

It seems they edit the bit out on TV where Jeremy reads out the four possible answers to the audience to save a bit of time, he has to do so as there are no screens in the studio for the audience to follow along with the questions!
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PFML84
The wait seems to be rather long compared to the older series for the audience answers to be shown. They could surely edit that down a bit and tighten it up.

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