AN
I said that in jest...the BBC do need a good kick up the backside and a proper review of how the select for the contest.
Does the Eurovision song actually get any plays on the radio?
I’m guessing you get a view token plays on Radio 2, the obligatory Graham Norton appearance a few weeks before, and then on Eurovision itself and that’s it.
How can you expect the public to get behind something so low key?
Andrew
Founding member
Now that Måns lives in the UK, we could end up send him and still end up finishing at the bottom...
I said that in jest...the BBC do need a good kick up the backside and a proper review of how the select for the contest.
Does the Eurovision song actually get any plays on the radio?
I’m guessing you get a view token plays on Radio 2, the obligatory Graham Norton appearance a few weeks before, and then on Eurovision itself and that’s it.
How can you expect the public to get behind something so low key?
GM
How 'commercialised' is Eurovision in the rest of Europe compared to over here in the UK?
The other countries songs seem to hit the top of their respective charts and get a lot of promotion, whereas here it's a case of blink and you'll miss it.
The other countries songs seem to hit the top of their respective charts and get a lot of promotion, whereas here it's a case of blink and you'll miss it.
BR
Because the song isn't good enough.
They don’t even play it on Radio 1 here, never mind top of the charts. I doubt it ever gets mentioned on commercial radio either.
Because the song isn't good enough.
DV
This is a long detailed MUSICAL not Political assessment of the UK's poor performance in recent times ....
Read the complete thread ....
Read the complete thread ....
Now I'm all caught up with the results from last night's contest, with the UK placing last, I'm going to wheel out the same musical analysis I do almost every year to offer up one possible explanation as to why the UK consistently does so poorly at Eurovision these days...
— Kit / Chris (@kitlochery) May 19, 2019
JA
A shame seeing as in the 90s the UK Eurovision track usually got a lot of airplay and reasonable chart placings, including Gina G getting number 1 in 1996.
DE
I believe in Sweden most of the songs that take park in Melodifestivalen routinely get into the charts, and are played on radio not just in Sweden but right across Northern Europe and Scandinavia. This year there were 28 entries and of the final 12, all but 3 got into the Swedish top 10. The music industry in Sweden takes Melfest very seriously and as it commands an enormous audience on Swedish television is an excellent promotional opportunity. So when the music industry needs the Melfest (and subsequently Eurovision) to generate publicity that publicity is rewarded by consistently good results at Eurovision itself. Not just because the songs are of a very high standard (jury vote tick), but because the promotion has already happened across a large region (telephone vote tick).
How 'commercialised' is Eurovision in the rest of Europe compared to over here in the UK?
The other countries songs seem to hit the top of their respective charts and get a lot of promotion, whereas here it's a case of blink and you'll miss it.
The other countries songs seem to hit the top of their respective charts and get a lot of promotion, whereas here it's a case of blink and you'll miss it.
I believe in Sweden most of the songs that take park in Melodifestivalen routinely get into the charts, and are played on radio not just in Sweden but right across Northern Europe and Scandinavia. This year there were 28 entries and of the final 12, all but 3 got into the Swedish top 10. The music industry in Sweden takes Melfest very seriously and as it commands an enormous audience on Swedish television is an excellent promotional opportunity. So when the music industry needs the Melfest (and subsequently Eurovision) to generate publicity that publicity is rewarded by consistently good results at Eurovision itself. Not just because the songs are of a very high standard (jury vote tick), but because the promotion has already happened across a large region (telephone vote tick).
NG
I believe in Sweden most of the songs that take park in Melodifestivalen routinely get into the charts, and are played on radio not just in Sweden but right across Northern Europe and Scandinavia. This year there were 28 entries and of the final 12, all but 3 got into the Swedish top 10. The music industry in Sweden takes Melfest very seriously and as it commands an enormous audience on Swedish television is an excellent promotional opportunity. So when the music industry needs the Melfest (and subsequently Eurovision) to generate publicity that publicity is rewarded by consistently good results at Eurovision itself. Not just because the songs are of a very high standard (jury vote tick), but because the promotion has already happened across a large region (telephone vote tick).
Yes - in some years Swedish artists have been effectively forced to do Melodifestivalen (when they don't really want to) to get album deals. Melodifestivalen is supported by Swedish music labels, and is very popular with the Swedish public, but it doesn't have huge credibility in the more credible/'cool' parts of the Swedish music industry.
Scandinavian entries all get significant radio play across all the Scandinavian countries - and they often show or repeat each others selection show finals. They do share musical tastes (Estonia increasingly is a 'new Nordic' country too) and there is some overlap between them (Sweden and Norway, Estonia and Sweden, Denmark and Iceland, Sweden and Finland, have all shared performers or tried to for instance.)
BTW - did anyone notice that one of the UK's backing singers was Anna Sahlene? She is a fantastic Estonian singer who represented Estonia in the early 00s, and also entered Melodifestivalen at least once.
noggin
Founding member
How 'commercialised' is Eurovision in the rest of Europe compared to over here in the UK?
The other countries songs seem to hit the top of their respective charts and get a lot of promotion, whereas here it's a case of blink and you'll miss it.
The other countries songs seem to hit the top of their respective charts and get a lot of promotion, whereas here it's a case of blink and you'll miss it.
I believe in Sweden most of the songs that take park in Melodifestivalen routinely get into the charts, and are played on radio not just in Sweden but right across Northern Europe and Scandinavia. This year there were 28 entries and of the final 12, all but 3 got into the Swedish top 10. The music industry in Sweden takes Melfest very seriously and as it commands an enormous audience on Swedish television is an excellent promotional opportunity. So when the music industry needs the Melfest (and subsequently Eurovision) to generate publicity that publicity is rewarded by consistently good results at Eurovision itself. Not just because the songs are of a very high standard (jury vote tick), but because the promotion has already happened across a large region (telephone vote tick).
Yes - in some years Swedish artists have been effectively forced to do Melodifestivalen (when they don't really want to) to get album deals. Melodifestivalen is supported by Swedish music labels, and is very popular with the Swedish public, but it doesn't have huge credibility in the more credible/'cool' parts of the Swedish music industry.
Scandinavian entries all get significant radio play across all the Scandinavian countries - and they often show or repeat each others selection show finals. They do share musical tastes (Estonia increasingly is a 'new Nordic' country too) and there is some overlap between them (Sweden and Norway, Estonia and Sweden, Denmark and Iceland, Sweden and Finland, have all shared performers or tried to for instance.)
BTW - did anyone notice that one of the UK's backing singers was Anna Sahlene? She is a fantastic Estonian singer who represented Estonia in the early 00s, and also entered Melodifestivalen at least once.
NG
Eurovision is far more Radio 2 than Radio 1. In other countries it is more likely to be linked to their Radio 2 than their Radio 1 equivalents. If you look at what songs have been successful in recent years - they have been far more Radio 2-friendly in UK terms. The same is true elsewhere.
noggin
Founding member
They don’t even play it on Radio 1 here, never mind top of the charts. I doubt it ever gets mentioned on commercial radio either.
Eurovision is far more Radio 2 than Radio 1. In other countries it is more likely to be linked to their Radio 2 than their Radio 1 equivalents. If you look at what songs have been successful in recent years - they have been far more Radio 2-friendly in UK terms. The same is true elsewhere.
BR
Eurovision is far more Radio 2 than Radio 1. In other countries it is more likely to be linked to their Radio 2 than their Radio 1 equivalents. If you look at what songs have been successful in recent years - they have been far more Radio 2-friendly in UK terms. The same is true elsewhere.
Is it the case abroad though? I do wonder if taking the view it's more Radio 2 than Radio 1 is part of the problem.
They don’t even play it on Radio 1 here, never mind top of the charts. I doubt it ever gets mentioned on commercial radio either.
Eurovision is far more Radio 2 than Radio 1. In other countries it is more likely to be linked to their Radio 2 than their Radio 1 equivalents. If you look at what songs have been successful in recent years - they have been far more Radio 2-friendly in UK terms. The same is true elsewhere.
Is it the case abroad though? I do wonder if taking the view it's more Radio 2 than Radio 1 is part of the problem.
CL
I think its time we just pulled not only our participation in Eurovison but all of the cash the BBC put in so we can effectively get a bye as we have not got a hope in hells chance of winning any more, and I am sure all that cash could then be used by the BBC to produce more quality shows here in the UK like Line Of Duty, ect.