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SW
Steve Williams
I agree - I think that was a big problem with the Cowey era - it all felt a bit samey, especially towards the end. I think what made it worse was that we'd come from a period of having guest hosts every week: some good, some not so good, but always entertaining, IMO. I said this earlier in the thread but Dennis Pennis remains my favourite guest host, treating the acts with utter contempt.

Another takeaway from that period, to me at least, was that at times it very much felt pieced together, almost like a clip show, because as you said, a lot of the perfomances were pre-recorded (often at one of the European TOTP studios) and slotted in. And I do think the StarBar was awful - it added nothing to the show, IMO, and ate into valuable music time. That being said, I do think Cowey had some great ideas, especially taking the show international, and expanding the TOTP brand massively - and in any case, even the worst shows of his era were miles ahead of Andi Peters' reign....


The thing that totally baffled me about the Star Bar is that it was an actual real bar, and every time they did anything from it they had to awkwardly pass microphones around and the acoustics were dreadful. It was if they'd built it and then forgotten it was supposed to be on television.

The guest presenters were an interesting idea and there were some memorable moments, although towards the end it started to feel like they were scraping the barrel a bit. In the early part of this era you would have the Radio 1 DJs most weeks and then a guest presenter if they were really special, like Take That or Reeves and Mortimer. But when you had guest presenters every week it felt like they were just getting them on for the sake of it and some of them were no more interesting than the DJs. Sometimes it felt like there was a bit too much going on as well - so you'd have an exclusive which was a big deal, but it would often be introduced by a comedian in character, so it seemed a bit like they were throwing it away because they couldn't give it the introduction it might have deserved.

But yes, there certainly seemed to be more happening in the Blaxill era and the show seemed more of an event - to the extent, as mentioned, that even though the show was almost always pre-recorded they would still do it all as live, including the perfomance "live" via satellite. Whereas under Cowey, you never got that idea that an individual show was an event. I think in previous eras there had always been an excitement when there was a big name in the studio, or that the number one was live in the studio, but you never got that in this era. One of the most famous episodes from the eighties was the one from 1989 when the Stone Roses and Happy Mondays were on the same show, but under Cowey it wouldn't have been a big deal because they'd probably both have been recorded separately weeks apart.

The 200th show under Cowey was a bit of a damp squib, because it felt too much like a normal show, partly of course because most of the performances had been recorded earlier, but also the performances that were live in the studio couldn't be very special because they all had to look the same so they could be recycled on later shows and abroad.

It was always easy to spot when a performance came from the German version, partly because they were usually a nu-metal act because they were always massive in Germany, but also because, as European telly doesn't use the "counting the beats" way of directing music, the cameras were usually right up the bands' noses throughout.

The face that showing the same song on consecutive weeks and when they were dropping (sometimes quite heavily- featuring last week's number one which has now dropped to Number 9 really is pretty stupid) were regular occurances in the Cowey era when both of those things were big no-nos for pretty much all of the show's run was not a good thing either. As I already said, clearly a consequence of Cowey's refusal to show videos but clearly not being able to get enough acts to perform to not have to repeat songs or show fallers as a result.


You could argue that Cowey didn't really have much choice because at that time 99% of records in the charts would go straight in at their highest position and go straight down the next week, so the definition of a big hit went from one that climbed the highest to one that went down the chart the slowest. Certainly without showing some records going down you would have ended up showing songs in their first week of release and then never again, so this way you had some more familar records in the mix. And it was under Ric Blaxill that they started playing records going down.

I think it's certainly fair to say, though, that regardless of the merits of that idea, showing the previous week's number one always looked a bit weird.
JA
james-2001
Didn't the much lauded "return to TV Centre" edition have around half its performances recorded at Riverside?
SW
Steve Williams
Didn't the much lauded "return to TV Centre" edition have around half its performances recorded at Riverside?


Yep, and also a U2 performance that I think was recorded at Elstree - one of those occasions when a band would perform virtually their entire album in one go so they would have a performance for every single. That said, that seemed such a half-arsed revamp because, as we've mentioned before, even though they moved to widescreen three years after the rest of BBC1, they didn't create new opening titles for another three months and just slapped some borders on the old ones.

Mind you, the first show of the All New Pops in 2003 included a performance by Nelly recorded on the old set, just with the new logo slapped on it.
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JA
james-2001
The first edition of the 1998 revamp as well had a Catatonia performance with the old logo clearly visible on set as well.

Again, all part of the problem of Cowey's cut-and-paste approach
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JA
james-2001
CD:UK used to pre-record a lot of performances as well though, and I remember during 2002/3 a lot of the pre-records were done in 16:9 even though the show was still in 4:3, so they were quite obvious with them going out in 14:9. Rather ironically though the first performance on the first 16:9 show was a Will Young pre-record- that had been made in 4:3.

The CD:UK pre-records were also more obvious than the TOTP ones, as the CD:UK set wasn't standing they clearly only set up a single stage for them and the lack of anything else in the studio was obvious, whereas TOTP had a standing set, at Elstree at least.
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Woodpecker
The first edition of the 1998 revamp as well had a Catatonia performance with the old logo clearly visible on set as well.

Again, all part of the problem of Cowey's cut-and-paste approach


I believe this is the performance of which you speak?



CD:UK used to pre-record a lot of performances as well though, and I remember during 2002/3 a lot of the pre-records were done in 16:9 even though the show was still in 4:3, so they were quite obvious with them going out in 14:9. Rather ironically though the first performance on the first 16:9 show was a Will Young pre-record- that had been made in 4:3.


ISTR that with that first edition of TOTP back at Television Centre, the number one was Can't Get You Out Of My Head, as it had been for the past few weeks, and they played the same performance of that from when it first reached number one, albeit cropped (rather badly, IMO) into widescreen.
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SW
Steve Williams
I think in previous eras there had always been an excitement when there was a big name in the studio, or that the number one was live in the studio, but you never got that in this era.


Sorry to drone on but there's a perfect example in the Smitty episode between this week's two BBC4 shows, where A-Ha are at number one for the first time and are wearing dinner jackets because they're number one. That makes the performance unique because it's clearly tied to that particular week, and the act, the audience and the show all benefit from the idea that they've achieved something special and are being celebrated for that. It seems a special occasion.

You obviously couldn't replicate that entirely when Pops became less important in the grand scheme of things, but the show just didn't feel all that special, and seemed to exist in its own little bubble.
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NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
Sorry for not believing you wherever you now are. Those 31 years have not crawled but flown.


Maybe its time to wheel out that Flux Capacitor you've been hiding, go back to 1987 and apologise in person, while trying not to disrupt the Space Time Continuum en-route Wink
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james-2001
You could argue that Cowey didn't really have much choice because at that time 99% of records in the charts would go straight in at their highest position and go straight down the next week, so the definition of a big hit went from one that climbed the highest to one that went down the chart the slowest. Certainly without showing some records going down you would have ended up showing songs in their first week of release and then never again, so this way you had some more familar records in the mix. And it was under Ric Blaxill that they started playing records going down.


He still didn't have to play records in consecutive weeks though! One thing about the BBC4 repeats is when we had to skip an episode, either due to being wiped or a banned presenter, it means we often get 2 episodes in a row with several of the same records and it can be a bit dull. So it must have been frustrating watching at the time and getting it frequently, but actually by design.
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VMPhil
Didn't the much lauded "return to TV Centre" edition have around half its performances recorded at Riverside?


Yep, and also a U2 performance that I think was recorded at Elstree - one of those occasions when a band would perform virtually their entire album in one go so they would have a performance for every single.

I remember taping one of the TOTPs where U2 performed 'Stuck in a Moment You Can't Get Out Of' as it's my favourite U2 song, and I particularly remember it because of the weird lighting rig with dozens of flashing light bulbs above them. (Sadly, I also remember what ident was used into the programme).



This site says that they recorded it on 2nd November 2000 along with 'Elevation' and 'Beautiful Day'. 'Elevation' was shown as an album track from the recently released All That You Can't Leave Behind on TOTP the next day, although it was later released as a single in June 2001 and the Popscene episode guide says 'Elevation' was shown on 27th July edition - I wonder if this was the same performance?

'Beautiful Day' was shown as the first song on the Christmas 2000 programme, and 'Stuck in a Moment' was shown on 26th January and 9th February 2001.

Though I would have loved to have said 'Walk On' was also recorded that day, meaning that they would have debuted a nearly one year old performance of the song, it appears to be a different recording (with a similar lighting setup).
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