JA
The recording of the Granada Plus broadcast doesn't show anything unusual or obvious anyway:
TI
Look, it's affected other shows. (3:16 in video it doesn't link properly)
They'll cut it out and dub someone shouting the word "TART" over it instead.
Look, it's affected other shows. (3:16 in video it doesn't link properly)
SC
Thanks - I had looked for that recording and couldn’t find it.
Actually, I think there is something unusual about those end credits. The scrolling credits look like they have been slowed down - they have that “jittery” look you get when you play something in slow motion. Compare these credits with others that scroll at a similar speed.
The recording of the Granada Plus broadcast doesn't show anything unusual or obvious anyway:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wbb8h1xBfU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wbb8h1xBfU
Thanks - I had looked for that recording and couldn’t find it.
Actually, I think there is something unusual about those end credits. The scrolling credits look like they have been slowed down - they have that “jittery” look you get when you play something in slow motion. Compare these credits with others that scroll at a similar speed.
JA
It's possible I guess, not the easiest thing to tell from a YouTube video, because of the conversion to 25p and other aspects of encoding and compression. We'll find out what ITV3 do on Tuesday anyway.
The producer and copyright credit usually faded out before the endcap appeared too, but then as G+ replaced the endcap anyway they might have disregarded that.
I notice we haven't had a G+ edit slip through on ITV3 for a few weeks, which is good. Yesterday's second episode is one where the G+ edit ended up on the Network DVDs, but so far ITV3 have shown the originals of all the episodes where that happened (though we have had the opposite- ITV3 showing a G+ edit where the original was on the DVD). Now I've said this though we'll probably get a load of G+ edits again. I've noticed when we get them we seem to get a few close together.
The producer and copyright credit usually faded out before the endcap appeared too, but then as G+ replaced the endcap anyway they might have disregarded that.
I notice we haven't had a G+ edit slip through on ITV3 for a few weeks, which is good. Yesterday's second episode is one where the G+ edit ended up on the Network DVDs, but so far ITV3 have shown the originals of all the episodes where that happened (though we have had the opposite- ITV3 showing a G+ edit where the original was on the DVD). Now I've said this though we'll probably get a load of G+ edits again. I've noticed when we get them we seem to get a few close together.
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DA
Actually, I think there is something unusual about those end credits. The scrolling credits look like they have been slowed down - they have that “jittery” look you get when you play something in slow motion. Compare these credits with others that scroll at a similar speed.
The YouTube stats show it's 25p and you can step through frame-by-frame with . and see there aren't any dupes
Actually, I think there is something unusual about those end credits. The scrolling credits look like they have been slowed down - they have that “jittery” look you get when you play something in slow motion. Compare these credits with others that scroll at a similar speed.
The YouTube stats show it's 25p and you can step through frame-by-frame with . and see there aren't any dupes
JA
There wouldn't be any dupe frames at 25p if it was slowed down by less than half, you'd need the full 50i version to be able to tell if there were.
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SC
You’re correct about the date, of course, however the first ITN Newsflash didn’t appear until after 8pm, during an ad-break of Des O’Connor Tonight. The one you link to may indeed be the first. Remember this was the 80s, before the days of social media and, for the most part, mobile phones. News was less immediate back then. In fact, it wasn’t widely known even in Lockerbie that a wide-bodied jet had crashed - many assumed two RAF jets had collided, as there were a lot of military low-flying exercises in the area at the time. Many Lockerbie residents learned more about the incident from the news reports than they could gather by looking out of their windows.
That said, Border viewers would have known something was amiss prior to the ITN News Reports as messages flashed on their screens asking medical staff to report for duty at the Dumfries Royal Infirmary. Sadly, their services ultimately weren’t required. There may have been some local news updates before 8pm too.
Harry Corbett’s edition of This is Your Life had just started when the tragedy happened - ironically a sketch showing Sooty “crash” a flying saucer onto Harry’s head was probably being shown at the time.
The first of the two editions of ITV3's classic Coronation Street showing tomorrow was broadcast on 21st December 1988, just under a half an hour after the bomb that blew Pan Am Flight 103 out of the sky over Lockerbie with huge loss of life minutes after 7pm that night. I think this edition was probably interrupted during the Coronation Street ad break with the first ITN newsflash of the tragedy unfolding. If not, then there was probably an ITN newsflash just before it began at 7.30pm or at latest as it ended at 8pm, possibly even at all those junctions surrounding this edition.
Here is one of that night's ITN newsflashes with Sandy Gall in the ad break for the Des O'Connor show that followed Coronation Street, but I don't think it was the first to air that night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTkzfCIrJtE
Here is one of that night's ITN newsflashes with Sandy Gall in the ad break for the Des O'Connor show that followed Coronation Street, but I don't think it was the first to air that night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTkzfCIrJtE
You’re correct about the date, of course, however the first ITN Newsflash didn’t appear until after 8pm, during an ad-break of Des O’Connor Tonight. The one you link to may indeed be the first. Remember this was the 80s, before the days of social media and, for the most part, mobile phones. News was less immediate back then. In fact, it wasn’t widely known even in Lockerbie that a wide-bodied jet had crashed - many assumed two RAF jets had collided, as there were a lot of military low-flying exercises in the area at the time. Many Lockerbie residents learned more about the incident from the news reports than they could gather by looking out of their windows.
That said, Border viewers would have known something was amiss prior to the ITN News Reports as messages flashed on their screens asking medical staff to report for duty at the Dumfries Royal Infirmary. Sadly, their services ultimately weren’t required. There may have been some local news updates before 8pm too.
Harry Corbett’s edition of This is Your Life had just started when the tragedy happened - ironically a sketch showing Sooty “crash” a flying saucer onto Harry’s head was probably being shown at the time.
JE
I wonder what the reason for that is James, I guess on occasions the Granada Plus edited version is the easiest version of the episode to find? Although apparently every full episode of Corrie exists.
2 great episodes on ITV3 today, the 2nd of which I believe was the first time Corrie ever aired on a Sunday and only the 2nd time they did an episode on Christmas Day when it didn't fall on the usual air date (Mon or Wed). Possibly the first Christmas Day episode we had big dramatic scenes as well, Deirdre being held hostage by Roscoe for the first half of the episode. A sign of things to come for future Christmas storylines. But very well done and Anne Kirkbride was fantastic. I think until then the only dramatic Christmas was when Joe Donelli held Stan Ogden hostage and confessed to killing Steve Tanner and then shot himself, think this was 1970. And don't think that aired on Christmas Day itself.
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It's possible I guess, not the easiest thing to tell from a YouTube video, because of the conversion to 25p and other aspects of encoding and compression. We'll find out what ITV3 do on Tuesday anyway.
The producer and copyright credit usually faded out before the endcap appeared too, but then as G+ replaced the endcap anyway they might have disregarded that.
I notice we haven't had a G+ edit slip through on ITV3 for a few weeks, which is good. Yesterday's second episode is one where the G+ edit ended up on the Network DVDs, but so far ITV3 have shown the originals of all the episodes where that happened (though we have had the opposite- ITV3 showing a G+ edit where the original was on the DVD). Now I've said this though we'll probably get a load of G+ edits again. I've noticed when we get them we seem to get a few close together.
The producer and copyright credit usually faded out before the endcap appeared too, but then as G+ replaced the endcap anyway they might have disregarded that.
I notice we haven't had a G+ edit slip through on ITV3 for a few weeks, which is good. Yesterday's second episode is one where the G+ edit ended up on the Network DVDs, but so far ITV3 have shown the originals of all the episodes where that happened (though we have had the opposite- ITV3 showing a G+ edit where the original was on the DVD). Now I've said this though we'll probably get a load of G+ edits again. I've noticed when we get them we seem to get a few close together.
I wonder what the reason for that is James, I guess on occasions the Granada Plus edited version is the easiest version of the episode to find? Although apparently every full episode of Corrie exists.
2 great episodes on ITV3 today, the 2nd of which I believe was the first time Corrie ever aired on a Sunday and only the 2nd time they did an episode on Christmas Day when it didn't fall on the usual air date (Mon or Wed). Possibly the first Christmas Day episode we had big dramatic scenes as well, Deirdre being held hostage by Roscoe for the first half of the episode. A sign of things to come for future Christmas storylines. But very well done and Anne Kirkbride was fantastic. I think until then the only dramatic Christmas was when Joe Donelli held Stan Ogden hostage and confessed to killing Steve Tanner and then shot himself, think this was 1970. And don't think that aired on Christmas Day itself.
JA
That's always what I've presumed, it's the easiest/first version they come across. They are pulling 10 episodes a week out of the archive, I guess they don't always have time to search for the full version. G+ showed these episodes around 2000/01 after all, it's highly unlikely the uncut tapes have gone missing since then. I imagine it's possible G+ edits could still turn up until we hit Feb/March 94 (I'm wondering how many episodes G+ had prepared in advance that were never broadcast due to the abrupt shutdown).
Not sure how that explains how a few G+edits ended up on the Network DVDs though, considering how thorough Network usually are about that sort of thing. Though as I've pointed out, it's not the same episodes- with all the episodes ITV3 have shown so far where the G+ edits ended up on DVDs, they've shown the original (with one case, the Xmas Day 87 episode, being the reverse).
Strange how the Xmas 88 episode feels almost like two totally different episodes bolted together, the first half being the dramatic hostage story, the second half being very light hearted about the rest of the street's christmas. It's very much a mood change!
I wonder what the reason for that is James, I guess on occasions the Granada Plus edited version is the easiest version of the episode to find? Although apparently every full episode of Corrie exists.
That's always what I've presumed, it's the easiest/first version they come across. They are pulling 10 episodes a week out of the archive, I guess they don't always have time to search for the full version. G+ showed these episodes around 2000/01 after all, it's highly unlikely the uncut tapes have gone missing since then. I imagine it's possible G+ edits could still turn up until we hit Feb/March 94 (I'm wondering how many episodes G+ had prepared in advance that were never broadcast due to the abrupt shutdown).
Not sure how that explains how a few G+edits ended up on the Network DVDs though, considering how thorough Network usually are about that sort of thing. Though as I've pointed out, it's not the same episodes- with all the episodes ITV3 have shown so far where the G+ edits ended up on DVDs, they've shown the original (with one case, the Xmas Day 87 episode, being the reverse).
Strange how the Xmas 88 episode feels almost like two totally different episodes bolted together, the first half being the dramatic hostage story, the second half being very light hearted about the rest of the street's christmas. It's very much a mood change!
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