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SP
Steve in Pudsey
They had the same reputation for editing down to the wire and spooling the tape back while pres were introducing them, mentioned in that piece.

You're thinking of a different programme?
IS
Inspector Sands
Yes it was a obituary programme for someone who died suddenly and was literally put together in a few hours
MA
Markymark
The excellent Neil Miles channel on YouTube has just posted this, where the Keith Harris Show breaks down with a VT fault about 7 minutes in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNhpHrzlLsY

I'm struggling to work out how the sound and pictures got so out of sync on playback of a studio VT recording?


Without knowing the precise details, in my experience it looks like the replay vt machine (1”) is having difficulty with its capstan servo - this is the servo controlling the linear tape speed. For whatever reason (damaged tape or an electronic fault?) the linear tape speed has reduced or become ‘hesitant’ and that’s why you can hear the audio ‘wowing’ and appearing to ‘slur’. The machine is trying to re-lock the servo. why does it appear to be out of sync? - the video coming off the replay heads is also hesitant because the linear tape speed is not constant or correct - you could think of it as the vision equivalent of wow and slur, but, the video side of the machine is very clever and even though the video is also being replayed in a mistimed fashion, the replay heads on the vt machine can be deflected to try and compensate for that mistiming. In other words, the mechanical mistiming of the directly replayed video being caused by the servo problem can be partly compensated for by the video heads being deflected to try and overcome that servo mechanical mistiming. There will also be an electronic timebase corrector in the signal chain that is electronically trying to compensate for that too! So, you can see there is lots of processing going on to try and keep that video ‘steady as she goes’. But it can all only do so much! and you can see the video too gets ‘beyond’ hope and there are many video disturbances as the machine is trying its very best as it can to re-lock the capstan servo to keep replaying stable pictures. The audio takes second place in the vt machine’s set of priorities and the vt is happy in itself that if it can the video right then the audio will be right too! That’s why the audio sounds as it does - the vt machine is not interested in it, and will do whatever it needs to do to get the capstan servo to relock properly and get the linear tape speed correct and stable. The human eye is not very sensitive to picture disturbances and you can get away with a lot. The human ear on the other hand is incredibly sensitive to pitch/wow and flutter for example and if any of those parameters ‘goes wrong’ you will become acutely aware of it very very quickly. Just a guess though, based on my own experiences.


I saw an identical fault during Auf Wiedersehen Pet in 1984ish. It was during the closing scene of the programme which had some church bells, they sounded a bit rough, then the closing credits kicked in, the playout just about stumbled over the finishing line. I was watching on TSW, Ian Stirling made a comment to that effect in his, '.. .after the break it's News At Ten.. .' announcement.

1984, so a C Format VTR playout ?
SW
Steve Williams
Ben posted:
I remember when the big breakfast went off air for about half an hour. Channel 4 filled with The Clangers of all things and then ITN did an extended big breakfast news, which is impressive given they cant have had much in the way of resources to do that.


I remember them going off for quite a long time and them showing an episode of The Banana Splits, and when they came back, Chris claimed that a garden gnome had pulled out one of the plugs in the house.


Because I was obsessed with The Big Breakfast at the start I vividly remember both of those. The latter was on St Patrick's Day 1993, which I remember because when they came back, they cut to a plug socket with a leprechaun doll they'd been playing around with all morning next to it. It was off for about ten minutes and I remember when they did the phone-in competition later, Chris asked one of the callers what C4 had done while they were away and the caller said "they played some awful music".

The former was in 1995, when Gaby and Mark were presenting. I remember at 7am they went to the news and then couldn't get back from it, and Peter Smith stayed on screen - I can remember him repeating stuff he was being fed down his earpiece. Then it went back to C4 continuity, flitting between standby stuff like The Clangers, old clips and the news. I remember listening to Chris Evans on Radio 1 during it and he said people were phoning up to say they were showing clips of him. Then as you say, there was an extended news bulletin with full reports, presumably taken off the Morning News or something, before they finally went back to the house at about five to eight. Went on for ages.
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robertclark125
In the late 1980s, during an episode of "Weirs Way" on STV, the programme suddenly went off, after a glitch, and the holding slide came up, and we heard three consecutive noises, similar to a tape being rewound at very high speed, before picking up the programme once again!
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orange
One that springs to mind as soon as I hear technical difficulties is this one from 2007. My family crowded around the TV all ready to watch the a new episode of Hells Kitchen, the first 10 seconds are going well and then...
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Night Thoughts
One of the most spectacular ones I've seen was during Euro 2008 - a storm played havoc with coverage of the Germany v Turkey semi-final. I watched it in a bar in Munich and saw both the storm and the broadcast cut out!

Coverage fell off the air (cue mayhem in the bar as people ran to see if it was on in other bars), then ZDF put on audio commentary before finally patching through Swiss coverage. If I remember rightly, the Swiss coverage came on ZDF just in time for a German goal. I believe the BBC had to wait much longer to get pictures back.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/jun/26/bbc.television2
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/euro_2008/7474598.stm



how it went down at a public screening.... (3m 22s in)
LL
Larry the Loafer
At least it wasn't caused by avoidable human error that led to them missing a crucial goal. Twice.



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UKnews
At least it wasn't caused by avoidable human error that led to them missing a crucial goal. Twice.

Although there were two different causes - the first being an ad break after News at Ten that should have been rescheduled when the match went to extra time. Didn't some areas get back to the game quicker than others?

The England goal being missed - as big an error as it was - only affected ITV1 HD, at time when maybe 10 or 20% of the audience had access to it. Wasn't a huge consolation when you'd just got an HD TV just before the World Cup and had a load of friends round because they could watch that match in HD at your place, only for that to happen and it not being quick to switch over because the two Sky+HD tuners were tied up recording the match and Doctor Who Shocked

Wasn't it suspected that the playout director - having got through the last break before the match - was trying to preview the ad break but somehow managed to cue it on HD but not SD?

The end result was that the rest of that England match was upscaled SD as - presumably - the HD playout chain was over plugged. The game / games on ITV the following day had pre match in upscaled SD with a jump to HD just before kick off and back to SD for half time and post match.
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commseng
On that theme, there was a Question Time, back when it was live, which had to be abandoned due to a similar evacuation. Apparently the links engineers, who were in a vehicle in the underground car park, only found out about the emergency when they saw BBC1 go into the breakdown routine on their off-air monitor and they called CAR...

I was that Comms engineer in the car park downstairs.
Peter Sissons was the presenter, and it was at the Barbican, where one of the royal family was also there, and the bomb threat was aimed at that I believe.
One of my colleagues who had journalistic pretensions ended up interviewing Peter on our hand held RT, which was heard through the now empty Links truck by our colleagues manning the receive terminal at Swains Lane.
I had been on the control line to a former colleague in CAR when I spotted the fault caption, and he pointed out that it looked as if everyone was evacuating!
LL
Larry the Loafer
Although there were two different causes - the first being an ad break after News at Ten that should have been rescheduled when the match went to extra time. Didn't some areas get back to the game quicker than others?

The England goal being missed - as big an error as it was - only affected ITV1 HD, at time when maybe 10 or 20% of the audience had access to it.


IIRC the Merseyside derby had completely different results depending on which region you were in. Some got it back just in time to see the goal, some didn't get back until the goal was scored. I can't remember off had but it would've been salt in the wound if Granada was one of the latter. ITV1 went into meltdown after that, as the endboard was stuck on screen when the coverage finished, followed by the ITV1 logo for a while and then straight into a full VT clock countdown into the news.

As you say, the World Cup fault only affected ITV1 HD. The clicking sound was the result of them switching to the SD feed just show the HD channel had something to show. ISTR hearing that noise quite a few times while they were still trying to iron things out.
JB
JasonB
Ben posted:
I remember when the big breakfast went off air for about half an hour. Channel 4 filled with The Clangers of all things and then ITN did an extended big breakfast news, which is impressive given they cant have had much in the way of resources to do that.


I remember them going off for quite a long time and them showing an episode of The Banana Splits, and when they came back, Chris claimed that a garden gnome had pulled out one of the plugs in the house.


Because I was obsessed with The Big Breakfast at the start I vividly remember both of those. The latter was on St Patrick's Day 1993, which I remember because when they came back, they cut to a plug socket with a leprechaun doll they'd been playing around with all morning next to it. It was off for about ten minutes and I remember when they did the phone-in competition later, Chris asked one of the callers what C4 had done while they were away and the caller said "they played some awful music".

The former was in 1995, when Gaby and Mark were presenting. I remember at 7am they went to the news and then couldn't get back from it, and Peter Smith stayed on screen - I can remember him repeating stuff he was being fed down his earpiece. Then it went back to C4 continuity, flitting between standby stuff like The Clangers, old clips and the news. I remember listening to Chris Evans on Radio 1 during it and he said people were phoning up to say they were showing clips of him. Then as you say, there was an extended news bulletin with full reports, presumably taken off the Morning News or something, before they finally went back to the house at about five to eight. Went on for ages.


Isn't there another breakdown with Gaby and Keith where Gaby says something like "You never know when we might go away again" and they go off air again shortly after or was that the same one with Mark?

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