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Will we watch what Whittingdale wants? (May 2016)

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BR
Brekkie
The government completely ignoring the licence fee payers and removing the independence of the BBC to ensure Murdoch and co are happy. If you want a look at the BBC of the future take a look at channel 7 or 8 now. Heck, don't be surprised if Pick TV gets number 1 on the EPG slot soon just to be "fair" to commercial rivals.

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The BBC could be stopped from showing Strictly Come Dancing in a primetime slot , according to new plans from the Culture Secretary.

John Whittingdale is ready to put in place a new charter that will stop the Beeb showing their best shows on Saturday and Sunday night and going up against rivals ITV.

Shows in the firing line are Poldark, The Night Manager and Strictly, which goes up against X Factor every year in the weekend’s most sort after slot.

Those who agree with the charter say the BBC should not be using licence-payers’ money to pursue ratings at the expense of commercial-backed rivals, according to The Mail on Sunday.

Whittingdale, who recently stated that the BBC iPlayer loophole could soon close, is also expected to tell the BBC to come clean about how much it pays it’s top presenters, according to the report.

This would be a revelation as figures have only been speculated.

The report also goes on to say the Culture Secretary is thought to unveil a crackdown on the BBC’s ‘cross promotion’.

This is where one BBC channel advertises shows on another.

Rivals have always thought that this was unfair.

This news from Whittingdale arrives just as a standards probe is launched into the MP over that trip to Amsterdam with his dominatrix ex-girlfriend.

The Culture Secretary was reported after a Mirror investigation for not declaring a two-night, expenses-paid trip visit to the MTV Awards on the register of MPs' interests.

A source close to the top Tory said he did not need to because the trip's cost did not meet a £660 threshold - coming just under it at £530.

But he faced questions after it emerged he had declared a similar trip in 2006, and cheapest available pairs of tickets for the ceremony alone were selling for £160.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/bbc-faces-strictly-come-dancing-7871890


And even Daily Mail readers (if not their "journalists") realise this is a dictatorship in action:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3567477/BBC-faces-charter-ban-Saturday-Strictly-New-plans-stop-Corporation-entering-primetime-ratings-wars-ITV.html
Last edited by Brekkie on 11 May 2016 11:58pm - 5 times in total
DA
davidhorman
Good grief, it's May the first, not April the first.

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according to a report


Is that not just the posh version of "a close friend said"?

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The report also goes on to say the Culture Secretary is thought to unveil a crackdown on the BBC’s ‘cross promotion’.

This is where one BBC channel advertises shows on another.

Rivals have always thought that this was unfair.


The report only thinks that's what he's going do? Not a very good report.

Anyway, what's unfair about cross-channel promotion? Any company with more than one channel can do it. And is there anything stopping single channels doing a bit of cross promotion and/or favourable scheduling to even out their demographics for different genres? ITV and Channel 4 used to cross-promote.

It's "unfair" on commercial broadcasters that the BBC exists at all. Someone call them a wahmbulance.
SC
scottishtv Founding member
The Sunday Times version:

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Strictly no X Factor clashes, BBC told
Tim Shipman and Nicholas Hellen

The BBC’s top dramas and entertainment shows could be moved from primetime slots to stop them competing with ITV shows for ­ratings.

John Whittingdale, the culture secretary, is due to give regulators new powers over the corporation in the white paper on the renewal of the BBC royal charter to be published this month.

He will intervene after complaints from ITV last autumn, when the BBC decided to schedule Strictly Come Dancing against The X Factor, consistently beating its commercial rival in the ratings and costing it dear in lost advertising revenue.

Whittingdale will stop short of personally ordering the corporation to move Strictly Come Dancing or BBC News at Ten. But the white paper will indicate that the BBC has been too aggressive in its search for ratings, particularly at weekends.

Senior government sources say its plans will allow commercial broadcasters to complain to the regulator if the corporation deliberately hurts their viewing figures. According to industry sources, this could mean the BBC would have to move dramas such as Poldark and The Night Manager away from prime time on Sunday evening to midweek slots.

A BBC insider complained: “Where will this end? Will we have to schedule a documentary by Mary Beard [the Cambridge classics professor] against X Factor?”

A source familiar with Whittingdale’s plans said: “What we are trying to do is set a broad set of principles and guidelines about how we think the BBC should operate. How that is applied to individual programmes and scheduling is a matter for them. But they will be subject to external regulation.

“If ITV, for instance, felt the BBC had deliberately put something on at the same time as X Factor just to bugger it up then they could say that doesn’t fit in with these principles. If they want to do so they can go and complain to the regulator.”

One industry source said it was unfair to penalise the BBC for ITV’s struggles to create popular new entertainment and drama shows: “Effectively, this means they will be told to make sure fewer people watch their programmes. How does that make sense?”

The white paper is also expected to scrap the long-standing requirement forcing television providers such as Sky and Virgin Media to carry the BBC’s output.

But rivals’ fears that the BBC could be allowed to charge them for carrying its programmes have been allayed.

Although the BBC’s charter will be extended for a further 10 or 11 years, the corporation will be put on notice that the government will be able to review its performance after five years to take account of changing technology.


It's been obvious for a while now, but the source close to Whittingdale now openly admits they are setting out "how we think the BBC should operate". Great (!)
LL
London Lite Founding member
Could the BBC be more imaginative in those slots against ITV, especially on Saturday evenings? In France, the only 'talent' contest was on TF1 with the French version of The Voice, while state run France 2 had a traditional cabaret show on. TF1 had the precious young adult audience, while France 2 had the older audience, yet were still able to provide general entertainment.
JA
JAS84
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The report also goes on to say the Culture Secretary is thought to unveil a crackdown on the BBC’s ‘cross promotion’.

This is where one BBC channel advertises shows on another.

Rivals have always thought that this was unfair.


The report only thinks that's what he's going do? Not a very good report.

Anyway, what's unfair about cross-channel promotion? Any company with more than one channel can do it. And is there anything stopping single channels doing a bit of cross promotion and/or favourable scheduling to even out their demographics for different genres? ITV and Channel 4 used to cross-promote.
Yeah, ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5 all promote their multichannel offerings all the time, why should the BBC be any different?
SP
Steve in Pudsey
I guess there is a reasonable argument that the license fee should be offering an alternative to what the commercial sector can make financially viable. Either because they are too expensive to produce or would not attract a sufficient audience. If they are putting The Voice up against X Factor you can argue that trying to compete with an established series by doing something similar is not really appropriate and they should be going for a different genre in that time slot.

But there is also an argument that if I open a gym next door to a council subsidised leisure centre I have no grounds to complain that it's unfair competition, it was there first and I chose to go into competition with it.

The interesting issue here is that Whittingdale has negated the argument for closing BBC Three. If linear tv consumption is in decline, why does it matter what is scheduled against X Factor?
MC
mccanmat
So if the culture secretary suddenly deems that all programmes on itv except the news is high quality and entertaining does that mean the bbc just has to switch off? Maybe they could do a 3 hour programme of paint drying?!

I thought our government is a democracy not a dictatorship!
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LS
Lou Scannon
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The BBC could be stopped from showing Strictly Come Dancing in a primetime slot , according to new plans from the Culture Secretary.


Oh, look, the typical tabloid use of the word "could" - which automatically negates any validity of all words and sentences thereafter.

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The report also goes on to say the Culture Secretary is thought to unveil a crackdown on the BBC’s ‘cross promotion’.

This is where one BBC channel advertises shows on another.


Even if you've never heard the specific expression "cross-promotion" in your life before, as long as you have any concept of what English words mean, then the expression is completely SELF-EXPLANATORY . Therefore, the very presence of that unnecessary 2nd sentence to "explain" what it means (as if it doesn't already explain itself) says a lot about the anticipated (un)intelligence level of the tabloid readership.

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Rivals have always thought that this was unfair.


Have they?

I see e.g. trailers for ITV Be shown on ITV(1), trailers for E4 shown on Channel 4, etc etc all the time.

There is no such thing as a commercial broadcaster that doesn't cross-promote.

So, why would commercial broadcasters think that the Beeb doing likewise is somehow "unfair"?

What a steaming pile of rhino dung this whole article is. Presumably the so-called "journalist(s)" behind it wrote it in wax crayon.
IS
Inspector Sands
Could the BBC be more imaginative in those slots against ITV, especially on Saturday evenings? In France, the only 'talent' contest was on TF1 with the French version of The Voice, while state run France 2 had a traditional cabaret show on. TF1 had the precious young adult audience, while France 2 had the older audience, yet were still able to provide general entertainment.

The problem is, if they are more imaginative and try something new on a Saturday night opposite X Factor.... and that alternative grows to be popular, they'll have to move that too!

That's what these people don't get - these programmes don't start off popular
JT
jolly turnip
Overall a bit of a non story. No direct clashes of strictly and X factor. Usually been ITV that have created those by their greed to shoehorn in as many breaks in X factor as possible to create over two hour shows (can't blame them).

Remember the main story is in the Daily Mail. Lovers of the BBC as we know.
CI
cityprod
This whole situation reeks of protectionism of the worst kind. Protecting commercial ventures from a publicly funded company, by deliberately holding that company back. Yeah, that will really help build a strong commercial sector... not.

They talk about letting the marketplace decide, and instead they try and tilt the playing field against the BBC, when it becomes apparent that the BBC is what people want. Well, that ain't letting the marketplace decide.

Their hypocrisy has been showing for a long time.
BR
Brekkie
Remember the main story is in the Daily Mail. Lovers of the BBC as we know.

It is in pretty much every paper today and dismissing it as just another Daily Mail story or laughing about how Murdoch gets what he wants endangers really under estimating what the government are aiming to do - basically turn a public broadcaster into a state broadcaster based on the views of a few media moguls rather than the thousands of licence fee payers who responded.


The Leveson Report of course told us what we already knew in that certain sections of the press - and in Murdoch's case therefore Sky - are too close with people in power. This of course has now been pretty much forgotten about by those people in power thanks to pressure from the people in the press - and we end up with a situation like this, where the MP responsibile for the future of the BBC is known to have received money from senior executives at Sky. For me now this isn't just about ideaology, it pretty much stinks of corruption. It is unbelieveable that John Whittingdale has held on to his job considering revelations made in recent weeks.


Back to the matter at hand and of course Strictly and X Factor have largely avoided each other apart from the occassional 15 minute clash - and X Factors recent woes are all of their own making. The BBC pretty much cave in against Britain's Got Talent and I'm a Celebrity too.

Drama is a different story and the culture secretary should realise that the BBC's recent successses are actually of huge benefit to ITV and Sky, not just in renewing the appetite for long form quality drama but also in terms of international sales. The BBC's reputation abroad effectively extends to the commercial sector too - many people believe Downton Abbey is a BBC show, and it's that belief which helped ITV and their commercial partners sell it.
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