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MA
Markymark

Ofcom/DCMS would have a fit if they ever came and changed channel on my tellies then.

It's more about competition concerns with third party channels on a proprietry platform like Sky or a cable company.

The original Sky EPG numbers were allocated in 3s according to their popularity in the analogue world and then new channels added on the end.


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Yes. When I was last in South Africa, SABC1 was EPG 521 on M-Net's satellite EPG!
GE
thegeek Founding member
Can I mention how much I love ZDF's theme tune for Das Aktuelle Sportstudio?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILFtx5nkb1A

It's a great tune! I think they use a CGI clock now, though. (Sidenote, that Steadicam shot at the top is mildly headache-inducing...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpLda48SBdI

Is that a steadicam or a jib?

The Mainz studio got an upgrade while they were over in London, so I guess this was the final appearance of the physical clock. (I think they took it home with them again.)
VA
valley
Can I mention how much I love ZDF's theme tune for Das Aktuelle Sportstudio?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILFtx5nkb1A

It's a great tune! I think they use a CGI clock now, though. (Sidenote, that Steadicam shot at the top is mildly headache-inducing...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpLda48SBdI

Is that a steadicam or a jib?

The Mainz studio got an upgrade while they were over in London, so I guess this was the final appearance of the physical clock. (I think they took it home with them again.)

Steadicam for sure - you can see it when they cut to the wide shot.
ST
Ste Founding member
There's 13E as well for some countries. The main German channels were on there at one point, but they seem to have gone now.


They lasted so long on there as 13E footprint spreads to Afghanistan and German troops there used Hotbird to watch ARD/ZDF. Other counties pay-TV broadcasters were less pleased with the World Cup and Champions League being FTA over Europe, North Africa, the Middle East and parts of Asia.
TW
twolf

@twolf: Adverts are allowed from 6am to 8pm outside childrens programming on the two main channels only. And only a certain amount. So they will show the most adverts just before 8pm when most people are watching during that 6 to 8 timeslot. Only exception to that rule are sporting events, aka the World Cup, Euros, Olympics, Champions League, the DFB Cup and the Bundesliga, when they are allowed to show advertising after 8pm.

Like when ZDF showed the Champions League Final last week:
https://streamable.com/yrio5l


Thanks for the info about the adverts not being allowed in children's shows - I'd not realised that. I don't ever watch much children's TV though, but it makes sense I suppose they would be one of the key places where adverts wouldn't be shown!
MI
TheMike
Here's another shot of the new ZDF Morgenmagazin (Moma) studio. From the latest edition of German listings magazine Hörzu.

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MI
mici0123
Also for everybody looking for a blast from the past, ARD offers their Ceefax (or in this case Teletext) online: https://www.ard-text.de/

The old style blocky teletext survived digital switch over in Germany as it is still very popular and the channels decicded to use the DVB-TXT standard integrated in DVB. Mainly also because DVB-TXT is guaranteed to be compatible with pretty much any set-top-box.
TW
twolf
Also for everybody looking for a blast from the past, ARD offers their Ceefax (or in this case Teletext) online: https://www.ard-text.de/

The old style blocky teletext survived digital switch over in Germany as it is still very popular and the channels decicded to use the DVB-TXT standard integrated in DVB. Mainly also because DVB-TXT is guaranteed to be compatible with pretty much any set-top-box.


Good old Teletext! It's so quick and simple really - no wonder the digital versions didn't catch on here, they took ages to load! Its nice something so antiquated is still going.
TE
Technologist
twolf posted:
Also for everybody looking for a blast from the past, ARD offers their Ceefax (or in this case Teletext) online: https://www.ard-text.de/

The old style blocky teletext survived digital switch over in Germany as it is still very popular and the channels decicded to use the DVB-TXT standard integrated in DVB. Mainly also because DVB-TXT is guaranteed to be compatible with pretty much any set-top-box.


Good old Teletext! It's so quick and simple really - no wonder the digital versions didn't catch on here, they took ages to load! Its nice something so antiquated is still going.

... yes around 45 years old from here in the UK - a bit less in Germany ... has any other "IT" Technology lasted as long!
We felt it was quick in part because it was but also the acceleration that Fastext gave in caching the most likely pages
you would want to view next and guiding you to them.
Navigation by TOP (table of pages) as used in the German sytesm - was more regimented but agian cached a page

The Launch of MHEG5 Digital text was hindered by the most popular Set top box taking TWO transmission cycles
to capture the page .... once to see that the page was being transmitted and then to read it so it was not fast !!!!
There was also perhaps not enough bit rate allocated - Certainly Teletext Ltd felt very aggreived by this
and the Carouselling engines were not as sophisticated as the ones used for Teletext,

In the background the BBC were more web orientated
- and there was not the same sophistication authoring equipment as Both Ceefax and bbc,co,uk had for their patforms ..
It was almost back to dumb terminals.
And MHEG5 was not language and format which was widely known
- which is why its origination equipment is almost 20 year old and until v recenstly not maintained

But the real luxury was teletext set with 4M of RAM!
- all pages acccessible instanstly after about 3 mins of being tuned into a channel

But 2000 was the year in which most Teletext Origination equipment was sold
...and carried on for two years ....
JW
JamesWorldNews
Here's another shot of the new ZDF Morgenmagazin (Moma) studio. From the latest edition of German listings magazine Hörzu.

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The more I see it, the more I like it.
TW
twolf
Here's another shot of the new ZDF Morgenmagazin (Moma) studio. From the latest edition of German listings magazine Hörzu.

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Great find!

Some different views of the different parts of the set below.

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EL
elmarko
Speaking of morse code, watching old Tagesschaus and I've noticed until 1993, the weather forecast ended with morse code (or something that sounded like it), anyone know why?


It’s the Morse code for QAM, an old radio Q-Code for “what is the latest weather report?” - I looked this up lately since I got into German TV design, more on which when I get a chance to do a proper post for this thread. It’s timed well for me.

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