What BBC1 and 2 could have looked like in 1991

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Inspector Sands 22 February 2016 8:58am

It really does seem this thread, has stuck a Nerve with people or has resulted in the cat being thrown in among the bird......blah blah blah
some people opinion- will you may want to bang your head against a wall, it works both ways but that what a opinion, is, you can’t tell people your wrong for an opinion, that not how this works. Like at the EU REF or rabbit.... blah blah blah

What the heck are you on about?

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For me I’m getting off this merry go around for the time being. I have better/importantthings to deal with and knowing. There one way to stop, that is to JUST STOP.

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james-2001 22 February 2016 10:00am

Inspector Sands posted:

What the heck are you on about?

Has anyone ever known what he's on about?

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Si-Co 22 February 2016 10:22am

james-2001 posted:

Inspector Sands posted:

What the heck are you on about?

Has anyone ever known what he's on about?

Hmmmm...

Cats have been thrown in with birds, while someone was poking the fire, getting mocked about mentioning a mock.. and there's an EU referendum about rabbits.

Reject it. I reckon it's Dusty Bin.

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sda| 23 February 2016 1:40am

Well I think it is fantastic - I'm just glad it's been released.

This is the kind of thing that would be shown once at a Kaleidoscope BFI type event and if you weren't there in person to see it, tough luck!

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noggin Founding member 23 February 2016 8:26am

DTV posted:

Larry the Loafer posted:

Even if these aren't the exact fonts, they should help with your mock.

http://i63.tinypic.com/14ni8ns.png

http://i66.tinypic.com/2hf5sut.png

What the font is notoriously unreliable - I'd say the BBC Two 'International Snooker' font is Basic Commercial and concur that BBC One is indeed Optima.

First one is definitely Optima. As supplied on many an Aston through the years. That was one of the things that made me think they were genuine (it was such an easy font to generate in the late 80s / early 90s)

Similarly the other typeface in use - though it's been two decades since I sat in front of an Aston in anger, it also looks like a 'standard' Aston font.

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I'm not entirely convinced by this 'modern timecode = fake' argument as surely if you were to go to all the trouble of faking the idents and the presentation and the degrading etc. you wouldn't slip up on something as simple as using a modern timecode.

That's a very good point - and if people have seen MLN talk about the idents, then I absolutely accept that they are real.

Would love to know how the YouTube stuff got to look as it got though. Very odd 'softness' about it all. (I guess it could be 352x288 VideoCD type quality that has been blurred a bit to remove the jaggies. It doesn't look like a decent 576i recording that's been uploaded cleanly)

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Whataday Founding member 23 February 2016 8:38am

It's actually not out of the question that they were recreated for Martin Lambie Nairn's talks.

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noggin Founding member 23 February 2016 9:45am

Whataday posted:

It's actually not out of the question that they were recreated for Martin Lambie Nairn's talks.

Unlikely though.

It would be interesting to know if Lambie Nairn and other similar aged agencies have migrated their archives from now obsolete digital formats (Quantel MO drives and RSDs, Syquest etc.) and how. (There has usually always been a migration path if you keep buying from the same supplier - but ISTR Lambie Nairn didn't have 'that' much broadcast kit in-house in the pre-Adobe days)

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MatthewFirth 23 February 2016 7:51pm

I would like to know where this originally came from before being posted on YouTube by TV Museum.

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Larry the Loafer 23 February 2016 7:58pm

I've only just picked up on the fact that the BBC logo looks a lot worse on the BBC Two ident than it does on BBC One. I don't know if this is something to take into account while trying to unravel this "mystery" but why would one logo look worse than the other if they're a part of the same test?

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WW Update 23 February 2016 8:33pm

MatthewFirth posted:

I would like to know where this originally came from before being posted on YouTube by TV Museum.

Absolutely! The key to ascertaining the authenticity of just about anything is its provenance, and unless I'm mistaken, no information about how these clips made it online has ever been given (for instance, we don't know who found them and where) .

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dosxuk 23 February 2016 9:08pm

WW Update posted:

MatthewFirth posted:

I would like to know where this originally came from before being posted on YouTube by TV Museum.

Absolutely! The key to ascertaining the authenticity of just about anything is its provenance, and unless I'm mistaken, no information about how these clips made it online has ever been given (for instance, we don't know who found them and where) .

Apparently everybody who knows anything about the source of the video will immediately lose their jobs and livelihoods if they even breathe a word about said source. They also seem to be quite angry at the fact that what they say isn't being taken as gospel.

Both things which would make me even more suspicious about the authenticity of the video, if I cared in the slightest. It's a video, it doesn't look quite right for what we're told, and nobody is willing to clarify anything about it, so meh. Life's too short...

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Whataday Founding member 23 February 2016 9:42pm

dosxuk posted:

Apparently everybody who knows anything about the source of the video will immediately lose their jobs and livelihoods if they even breathe a word about said source.

Can't they do what most other insiders do on here and speak in short, abbreviated sentences with few pronouns or verbs, as if it makes any difference to the fact that they're leaking info?

(February 2016)