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I think for flexibility of height and positioning around the desk the one that they've gone with works a lot better than the artists impression and will certainly move sky news in a different direction as Worzal said to become more relaxed. Maybe BBC News 24 from launch was ahead of its time. Or maybe we're just going around in circles, after all 1997 Channel 5 news was very informal in its presentation.
I do however like the artists impression for the background. Installing a secondary ticker on the balcony would work a lot better for viewers. the blue areas do look nice to detract from the white.
I do however like the artists impression for the background. Installing a secondary ticker on the balcony would work a lot better for viewers. the blue areas do look nice to detract from the white.
WA
Perhaps the ticker in the background is distracting and possible doesnt work well when on screen. Covering a big major story with flashy tickers and lights is not a great combination. You dont need to see the ticker. Its on screen.
VM
That desk looks horrid, glad they didn't go with that design.
I hope they install some of those blue panels across the various levels of the building. A little bit of colour to break up the monotony of the "backdrop".
That desk looks horrid, glad they didn't go with that design.
VM
But it doesn't have the same flexibility as the one they've installed in terms of being raised and lowered.
Watching that NextRadio video, he seems to hint that they want to refresh the presentation to make it more relaxed. I also liked the piece about that TV news studio being built around the radio station in the clip he showed.
I've gone on like a stuck record for years that news channels will eventually evolve to be much more relaxed on screen and less stiff and stilted, much like Franceinfo have shown and now Sky News are moving towards. Increasingly the BBC News channel have been doing the same with the Victoria Derbyshire programme (which was clearly inspired by Sky News' Afternoon Live with Kay Burley) and Outside Source.
Yes, it was interesting watching that segment - I wouldn't mind having an audio version of Sky News to listen to instead of 5 Live or Radio 4 in the morning.
Arguably the BBC have done something similar themselves with the Victoria Derbyshire show, taking a radio mentality to making TV, but it isn't quite as successful as it could be with regards to the format.
That desk would have certainly been a better choice IMO.
But it doesn't have the same flexibility as the one they've installed in terms of being raised and lowered.
Watching that NextRadio video, he seems to hint that they want to refresh the presentation to make it more relaxed. I also liked the piece about that TV news studio being built around the radio station in the clip he showed.
I've gone on like a stuck record for years that news channels will eventually evolve to be much more relaxed on screen and less stiff and stilted, much like Franceinfo have shown and now Sky News are moving towards. Increasingly the BBC News channel have been doing the same with the Victoria Derbyshire programme (which was clearly inspired by Sky News' Afternoon Live with Kay Burley) and Outside Source.
Yes, it was interesting watching that segment - I wouldn't mind having an audio version of Sky News to listen to instead of 5 Live or Radio 4 in the morning.
Arguably the BBC have done something similar themselves with the Victoria Derbyshire show, taking a radio mentality to making TV, but it isn't quite as successful as it could be with regards to the format.
MD
BBC News 24 started with that casual, friendly approach, before going toward the buttoned up approach, and now the each hour a bulletin approach.
http://hub.tv-ark.org.uk/images/news/bbcnews24/bbcnews24_images/1997/bbcnews5.jpg
I've gone on like a stuck record for years that news channels will eventually evolve to be much more relaxed on screen and less stiff and stilted, much like Franceinfo have shown and now Sky News are moving towards. Increasingly the BBC News channel have been doing the same with the Victoria Derbyshire programme (which was clearly inspired by Sky News' Afternoon Live with Kay Burley) and Outside Source.
BBC News 24 started with that casual, friendly approach, before going toward the buttoned up approach, and now the each hour a bulletin approach.
http://hub.tv-ark.org.uk/images/news/bbcnews24/bbcnews24_images/1997/bbcnews5.jpg
WO
BBC News 24 started with that casual, friendly approach, before going toward the buttoned up approach, and now the each hour a bulletin approach.
http://hub.tv-ark.org.uk/images/news/bbcnews24/bbcnews24_images/1997/bbcnews5.jpg
But it was all very much desk based, there was no presentation from screens/news walls back then or low desks/coffee tables (excluding weather), probably because there wasn't such a thing in N9 (or space).
In terms of the BBC moving presentation away from a desk and becoming more informal in that way, it only started to happen around 1999/2000 when the national 6 o'clock news was double headed. News 24 didn't adopt standing presentation until the beige N8 set was revamped in 2003 and the set was made bigger with the pods. Then the presenters were glued to the desk for 5 years in N6 before moving to NBH and the cycle started again.
As for Sky News, I seem to recall their first 'news wall' with the cube screens (complete with black safety wire) was unveiled in 2001 and sat in the newsroom behind the main set. I seem to remember around 2002/2003 Sky News Today came from the newsroom too.
News channels have to evolve, they're competing with social media/the web etc these days. Yes, they're still there to deliver news, but if you can do it in a modern fresh way and can draw in a slightly younger audience that will stick with you, respect you and watch the channel into the next 'era', thats got to be a good thing.
I've gone on like a stuck record for years that news channels will eventually evolve to be much more relaxed on screen and less stiff and stilted, much like Franceinfo have shown and now Sky News are moving towards. Increasingly the BBC News channel have been doing the same with the Victoria Derbyshire programme (which was clearly inspired by Sky News' Afternoon Live with Kay Burley) and Outside Source.
BBC News 24 started with that casual, friendly approach, before going toward the buttoned up approach, and now the each hour a bulletin approach.
http://hub.tv-ark.org.uk/images/news/bbcnews24/bbcnews24_images/1997/bbcnews5.jpg
But it was all very much desk based, there was no presentation from screens/news walls back then or low desks/coffee tables (excluding weather), probably because there wasn't such a thing in N9 (or space).
In terms of the BBC moving presentation away from a desk and becoming more informal in that way, it only started to happen around 1999/2000 when the national 6 o'clock news was double headed. News 24 didn't adopt standing presentation until the beige N8 set was revamped in 2003 and the set was made bigger with the pods. Then the presenters were glued to the desk for 5 years in N6 before moving to NBH and the cycle started again.
As for Sky News, I seem to recall their first 'news wall' with the cube screens (complete with black safety wire) was unveiled in 2001 and sat in the newsroom behind the main set. I seem to remember around 2002/2003 Sky News Today came from the newsroom too.
News channels have to evolve, they're competing with social media/the web etc these days. Yes, they're still there to deliver news, but if you can do it in a modern fresh way and can draw in a slightly younger audience that will stick with you, respect you and watch the channel into the next 'era', thats got to be a good thing.
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MD
But it was all very much desk based, there was no presentation from screens/news walls back then or low desks/coffee tables (excluding weather), probably because there wasn't such a thing in N9 (or space).
In terms of the BBC moving presentation away from a desk and becoming more informal in that way, it only started to happen around 1999/2000 when the national 6 o'clock news was double headed. News 24 didn't adopt standing presentation until the beige N8 set was revamped in 2003 and the set was made bigger with the pods. Then the presenters were glued to the desk for 5 years in N6 before moving to NBH and the cycle started again.
As for Sky News, I seem to recall their first 'news wall' with the cube screens (complete with black safety wire) was unveiled in 2001 and sat in the newsroom behind the main set. I seem to remember around 2002/2003 Sky News Today came from the newsroom too.
I wouldn't say removing the desk is enough to be considered friendly, relaxed, or more relate-able. Still dressed in suite, still telling you the news, just more interesting ways to present the information, than a "picture window" displayed by a Quantel LOL
The News 24 approach, whilst still sat at desks, gave the impression that you had people passing on information that has just come in, with a more informal style. Obviously not high-tech really, and not trying to innovate.
There is something to be said of making the whole news process more inclusive. Focus on news gathering from the public, and actively asking what matters most to the audience. You get a much more varied mix of news presentation in the US or other countries. And with decreased budgets, and talk radio being a popular medium. Presenting the news as "one of us", instead of "one of them", could be refreshing.
But it was all very much desk based, there was no presentation from screens/news walls back then or low desks/coffee tables (excluding weather), probably because there wasn't such a thing in N9 (or space).
In terms of the BBC moving presentation away from a desk and becoming more informal in that way, it only started to happen around 1999/2000 when the national 6 o'clock news was double headed. News 24 didn't adopt standing presentation until the beige N8 set was revamped in 2003 and the set was made bigger with the pods. Then the presenters were glued to the desk for 5 years in N6 before moving to NBH and the cycle started again.
As for Sky News, I seem to recall their first 'news wall' with the cube screens (complete with black safety wire) was unveiled in 2001 and sat in the newsroom behind the main set. I seem to remember around 2002/2003 Sky News Today came from the newsroom too.
I wouldn't say removing the desk is enough to be considered friendly, relaxed, or more relate-able. Still dressed in suite, still telling you the news, just more interesting ways to present the information, than a "picture window" displayed by a Quantel LOL
The News 24 approach, whilst still sat at desks, gave the impression that you had people passing on information that has just come in, with a more informal style. Obviously not high-tech really, and not trying to innovate.
There is something to be said of making the whole news process more inclusive. Focus on news gathering from the public, and actively asking what matters most to the audience. You get a much more varied mix of news presentation in the US or other countries. And with decreased budgets, and talk radio being a popular medium. Presenting the news as "one of us", instead of "one of them", could be refreshing.
WO
But it was all very much desk based, there was no presentation from screens/news walls back then or low desks/coffee tables (excluding weather), probably because there wasn't such a thing in N9 (or space).
In terms of the BBC moving presentation away from a desk and becoming more informal in that way, it only started to happen around 1999/2000 when the national 6 o'clock news was double headed. News 24 didn't adopt standing presentation until the beige N8 set was revamped in 2003 and the set was made bigger with the pods. Then the presenters were glued to the desk for 5 years in N6 before moving to NBH and the cycle started again.
As for Sky News, I seem to recall their first 'news wall' with the cube screens (complete with black safety wire) was unveiled in 2001 and sat in the newsroom behind the main set. I seem to remember around 2002/2003 Sky News Today came from the newsroom too.
I wouldn't say removing the desk is enough to be considered friendly, relaxed, or more relate-able. Still dressed in suite, still telling you the news, just more interesting ways to present the information, than a "picture window" displayed by a Quantel LOL
The News 24 approach, whilst still sat at desks, gave the impression that you had people passing on information that has just come in, with a more informal style. Obviously not high-tech really, and not trying to innovate.
There is something to be said of making the whole news process more inclusive. Focus on news gathering from the public, and actively asking what matters most to the audience. You get a much more varied mix of news presentation in the US or other countries. And with decreased budgets, and talk radio being a popular medium. Presenting the news as "one of us", instead of "one of them", could be refreshing.
Which is what radio has been doing for years. Its always been a medium of asking people to get in touch, share stories and ask their views etc. With the invention of smartphones its allowed television to increasingly do the same.
Imagine Sky News doing a live TV phone in LBC style, with guests in the studio - that's something a bit different and exactly what was highlighted in the NextRadio video linked in the previous post.
But it was all very much desk based, there was no presentation from screens/news walls back then or low desks/coffee tables (excluding weather), probably because there wasn't such a thing in N9 (or space).
In terms of the BBC moving presentation away from a desk and becoming more informal in that way, it only started to happen around 1999/2000 when the national 6 o'clock news was double headed. News 24 didn't adopt standing presentation until the beige N8 set was revamped in 2003 and the set was made bigger with the pods. Then the presenters were glued to the desk for 5 years in N6 before moving to NBH and the cycle started again.
As for Sky News, I seem to recall their first 'news wall' with the cube screens (complete with black safety wire) was unveiled in 2001 and sat in the newsroom behind the main set. I seem to remember around 2002/2003 Sky News Today came from the newsroom too.
I wouldn't say removing the desk is enough to be considered friendly, relaxed, or more relate-able. Still dressed in suite, still telling you the news, just more interesting ways to present the information, than a "picture window" displayed by a Quantel LOL
The News 24 approach, whilst still sat at desks, gave the impression that you had people passing on information that has just come in, with a more informal style. Obviously not high-tech really, and not trying to innovate.
There is something to be said of making the whole news process more inclusive. Focus on news gathering from the public, and actively asking what matters most to the audience. You get a much more varied mix of news presentation in the US or other countries. And with decreased budgets, and talk radio being a popular medium. Presenting the news as "one of us", instead of "one of them", could be refreshing.
Which is what radio has been doing for years. Its always been a medium of asking people to get in touch, share stories and ask their views etc. With the invention of smartphones its allowed television to increasingly do the same.
Imagine Sky News doing a live TV phone in LBC style, with guests in the studio - that's something a bit different and exactly what was highlighted in the NextRadio video linked in the previous post.
WO
Yes, there's that to some degree. But on the other hand some people find Radio 5 Live quite left-leaning.
Its interesting how, in 20 years news presentation has done a complete full circle several times and will no doubt continue to do so for the foreseeable future - and we'll probably still be discussing it.
I would only hope that the rules on impartiality, and balancing opinions, wont be discarded. LBC has become very right wing in recent years. It's only James O'Brien, Nick Ferrari, and occasionally Iain Dale, and Clive Bull - I listen to now.
Yes, there's that to some degree. But on the other hand some people find Radio 5 Live quite left-leaning.
Its interesting how, in 20 years news presentation has done a complete full circle several times and will no doubt continue to do so for the foreseeable future - and we'll probably still be discussing it.
MA
Ironically this was very much a feature of Sky News in its early years - but something they've long since moved away from.
I remember that, when I first got Sky in the early 90s, there was a nightly phone-in show with studio guests - can't remember what it was called, but I think it was on at around 9.30pm. There were other shows through the years that took calls - I think Richard Littlejohn's early evening talk show in the 90s was one of them.
As an aside, the claim in the Next Radio video that the 'radio show in a TV studio' is a big innovation is wrong. MSNBC were doing it from the 90s with Don Imus presenting his nationally-syndicated radio breakfast show from the MSNBC studio.
mark
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Imagine Sky News doing a live TV phone in LBC style, with guests in the studio - that's something a bit different and exactly what was highlighted in the NextRadio video linked in the previous post.
Ironically this was very much a feature of Sky News in its early years - but something they've long since moved away from.
I remember that, when I first got Sky in the early 90s, there was a nightly phone-in show with studio guests - can't remember what it was called, but I think it was on at around 9.30pm. There were other shows through the years that took calls - I think Richard Littlejohn's early evening talk show in the 90s was one of them.
As an aside, the claim in the Next Radio video that the 'radio show in a TV studio' is a big innovation is wrong. MSNBC were doing it from the 90s with Don Imus presenting his nationally-syndicated radio breakfast show from the MSNBC studio.