When the news is announced on the BBC, it will just be a still image of the white BBC blocks on a black background which nations will opt into. Then bbc news will take over.
While most likely, you shouldn't present it as fact because you simply don't know.
While most likely, you shouldn't assume I 'simply don't know'.
Re the funeral, I don’t know how COVID will change things but I have it on good authority that the plan was for the service to take place at St George’s Windsor (as posted upthread), however whilst technically a ‘private’ funeral rather than ‘state’ or ‘military’, it was definitely going to be broadcast on television and radio. I was also told the planned start time and some of the contents of the service from somebody who definitely would have known.
As it stands, That 30 number has to include staff/crew, so I just don't see how they could do it as you'd want it televised too.
It doesn't. The 30 is effectively the number or mourners, operational people are not included in the numbers. Whether that number includes officiants / celebrants is a bit of a grey area that is mostly being left as a "if you don't take the p, we won't count them". It also doesn't include funeral director staffing, otherwise when the limit was 6 people it works have been rather difficult to get a coffin into a chapel if any family was wishing to attend.
Basically, even with the current rules, the arrangement and broadcast of a state funeral would be achievable. And it's very unlikely the government wouldn't provide for an exception to those rules if they were asked. After all 30 people in Westminster abbey is a totally different prospect to 30 people in Dunny-on-the-Wold's church that only holds 25 people at the best of times.
Fair enough! I was speaking from previous experience last year when we had to count staff in the funeral home in our numbers but its possibly changed and or different depending on the church.
EDIT: It looks like we were effected as staff/crew count if not employed by the Church. So I guess you could say cameramen would be counted as they arent employed by the Church, but like you say, if anything deserves an exception is the death of the Queens husband.
The guidance we have been given is that operational staff (regardless of employer) are not counted. While you could easily argue that a camera crew turning up to a funeral at the family's request are not operational, to could easily come to the opposite conclusion when talking abouta state funeral where there are expectations and obligations to make it available to a wider audience.
ETA: rules in Scotland are a bit stricter so this may be a England vs Scotland thing.
If the news does come, would the news channel wait until bbc one has joined them to announce it or would they announce it regardless if bbc one & other channels had opted in yet.
If the news does come, would the news channel wait until bbc one has joined them to announce it or would they announce it regardless if bbc one & other channels had opted in yet.
Announcements like this are always embargoed. The channel controllers will know when they need to join the news channel for the time the announcement will happen.
Let’s forget about the grammar then and move on to how you can be so sure that will happen - are you related to BBC pres or Red Bee or something like that?
It doesn't. The 30 is effectively the number or mourners, operational people are not included in the numbers. Whether that number includes officiants / celebrants is a bit of a grey area that is mostly being left as a "if you don't take the p, we won't count them". It also doesn't include funeral director staffing, otherwise when the limit was 6 people it works have been rather difficult to get a coffin into a chapel if any family was wishing to attend.
Basically, even with the current rules, the arrangement and broadcast of a state funeral would be achievable. And it's very unlikely the government wouldn't provide for an exception to those rules if they were asked. After all 30 people in Westminster abbey is a totally different prospect to 30 people in Dunny-on-the-Wold's church that only holds 25 people at the best of times.
Fair enough! I was speaking from previous experience last year when we had to count staff in the funeral home in our numbers but its possibly changed and or different depending on the church.
EDIT: It looks like we were effected as staff/crew count if not employed by the Church. So I guess you could say cameramen would be counted as they arent employed by the Church, but like you say, if anything deserves an exception is the death of the Queens husband.
The guidance we have been given is that operational staff (regardless of employer) are not counted. While you could easily argue that a camera crew turning up to a funeral at the family's request are not operational, to could easily come to the opposite conclusion when talking abouta state funeral where there are expectations and obligations to make it available to a wider audience.
ETA: rules in Scotland are a bit stricter so this may be a England vs Scotland thing.
Aye I am in Scotland so thats probably the difference here!
To keep things on topic I've removed a number of recent posts. Based on past public posts and mod privilege I'm inclined to believe Thistle knows what they're talking about.
Embargos are always in place with royal death announcements in order to give the BBC, the other broadcasts and the IRN time to get everything ready for the formal announcement.
All royal death announcements have some sort of embargo, the Press Association famously broke the one for Diana's death in 1997 once it had been confirmed that she had died. And for Prince Philip, plans for his death have been in place for almost as long as Operation London Bridge has been for The Queen's death and at 99 years old, I think the plans for his death and the announcement are firmly nailed down by the major broadcasters
Not
entirely
nailed down - a lot of the procedures and plans have changed for most broadcasters during Covid. Plus as others have mentioned, they do tend to change a bit every few years anyway.
I daresay that the Government would approve the necessary arrangement for a funeral of this nature to take place in a way that would not be allowed for a member of the public. It is in the interests of the Covid efforts to have comprehensive coverage so that members of the public don't feel the need to line the streets/congregate outside the church etc.