There’s a real danger in saying to people that something is wrong, but that you can’t question it or even discuss the reasons why. That ultimately breeds contempt. Right now there’ll be a whole load of people looking at the consequences for Megyn Kelly after what she said who can’t understand what was so bad about it. In this incident it will only further embolden those, who probably support Trump, who now probably think a great injustice has happened.
mannewskev - the reason I challenged you on this was that you were objecting, but clearly did not fully understand why. I don’t disagree with you. Hysterical overreaction without a full grasp of the facts (not saying that’s what you were doing but want to make the broader point) is everything that is wrong with politics on both sides of the Atlantic right now.
Some things don't require questioning, though. Murder is wrong, we don't question that. Theft is wrong, we don't question that. Blackface is wrong, etc. etc...
There’s a real danger in saying to people that something is wrong, but that you can’t question it or even discuss the reasons why. That ultimately breeds contempt. Right now there’ll be a whole load of people looking at the consequences for Megyn Kelly after what she said who can’t understand what was so bad about it. In this incident it will only further embolden those, who probably support Trump, who now probably think a great injustice has happened.
mannewskev - the reason I challenged you on this was that you were objecting, but clearly did not fully understand why. I don’t disagree with you. Hysterical overreaction without a full grasp of the facts (not saying that’s what you were doing but want to make the broader point) is everything that is wrong with politics on both sides of the Atlantic right now.
Some things don't require questioning, though. Murder is wrong, we don't question that. Theft is wrong, we don't question that. Blackface is wrong, etc. etc...
Whether something counts as murder or manslaughter is questioned all the time in courts.
There’s a real danger in saying to people that something is wrong, but that you can’t question it or even discuss the reasons why. That ultimately breeds contempt. Right now there’ll be a whole load of people looking at the consequences for Megyn Kelly after what she said who can’t understand what was so bad about it. In this incident it will only further embolden those, who probably support Trump, who now probably think a great injustice has happened.
mannewskev - the reason I challenged you on this was that you were objecting, but clearly did not fully understand why. I don’t disagree with you. Hysterical overreaction without a full grasp of the facts (not saying that’s what you were doing but want to make the broader point) is everything that is wrong with politics on both sides of the Atlantic right now.
Some things don't require questioning, though. Murder is wrong, we don't question that. Theft is wrong, we don't question that. Blackface is wrong, etc. etc...
Whether something counts as murder or manslaughter is questioned all the time in courts.
Some things don't require questioning, though. Murder is wrong, we don't question that. Theft is wrong, we don't question that. Blackface is wrong, etc. etc...
Whether something counts as murder or manslaughter is questioned all the time in courts.
But that it is wrong, is never questioned.
Except the issue is whether what is being described should be classed as blackface.
Whether something counts as murder or manslaughter is questioned all the time in courts.
But that it is wrong, is never questioned.
Except the issue is whether what is being described should be classed as blackface.
Putting on makeup to make a white person look black is blacking up, or black face. It's offensive. Even if the person doing it doesn't mean to offend - that doesn't stop it being offensive.
Except the issue is whether what is being described should be classed as blackface.
Blacking up is blackface.
I am merely describing the discussion that is going on - Whataday thinks that reflecting the skin colour of a person you're dressing up as isn't blackface. I am not expressing my viewpoint at all (and don't need patronising explanations or associations with racism).
Some things don't require questioning, though. Murder is wrong, we don't question that. Theft is wrong, we don't question that. Blackface is wrong, etc. etc...
Whether something counts as murder or manslaughter is questioned all the time in courts.
But that it is wrong, is never questioned.
I would disagree with you here. There are instances where the Courts have questioned whether murder/manslaughter is wrong. The classic example would be those that have murdered as part of so-called 'mercy killings'. Is it wrong to kill somebody if it means ameliorating their quality of life or relieving them of any pain? Is it wrong to kill somebody suffering in extremis if it is the humane and rational action to follow? Even if the said act will result in arrest, trial, conviction and punishment? It goes to the heart of all new Phil's argument that
There’s a real danger in saying to people that something is wrong, but that you can’t question it or even discuss the reasons why. That ultimately breeds contempt.
I'm not saying it's right. I'm not saying that it's wrong. I'm merely pointing out that your argument - that murder/manslaughter is wrong and that that is always considered wrong - is flawed.
Except the issue is whether what is being described should be classed as blackface.
Blacking up is blackface.
I am merely describing the discussion that is going on - Whataday thinks that reflecting the skin colour of a person you're dressing up as isn't blackface. I am not expressing my viewpoint at all (and don't need patronising explanations or associations with racism).
This is neither here nor there to me. Blacking up is blackface and is unacceptable. It's that simple.