The Newsroom

London Tower Block Fire

(June 2017)

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SW
Steve Williams
The other point, I think, is that we simply do not know. We can't confirm if what the broadcasters are saying is correct or not, there's going to be a public inquiry into it. The broadcasters are using their skill and judgement as to what to report.

If there is a "puzzle", it's not up to us to solve it, so I don't know why it needs to be brought up here, I find it quite unpleasant to indulge in speculation in this forum.

We can't even find out who owns the TVS archive, so what use are we going to be?
SK
Skygeek
The other point, I think, is that we simply do not know. We can't confirm if what the broadcasters are saying is correct or not, there's going to be a public inquiry into it. The broadcasters are using their skill and judgement as to what to report.

If there is a "puzzle", it's not up to us to solve it, so I don't know why it needs to be brought up here, I find it quite unpleasant to indulge in speculation in this forum.

We can't even find out who owns the TVS archive, so what use are we going to be?

Yup - what Steve said.
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A former member
Im not indulge in speculation, Im highlighting what been presented. As a pres forum we should at least take note on how the companies deal with stories rightly or wrongly.
SK
Skygeek
Im not indulge in speculation, Im highlighting what been presented. As a pres forum we should at least take note on how the companies deal with stories rightly or wrongly.

Right - but what you're seeming to ignore is that even if corporate and governmental entities attempt to mislead or spin, broadcasters' relaying of that obfuscation is PART of telling the story, rather than an act of deliberate collusion until they/we know any better.
VM
VMPhil
Probably better off discussing this at Metropol

https://metropol247.co.uk
SK
Skygeek
Probably better off discussing this at Metropol

https://metropol247.co.uk

See... in my opinion, you'd be right if the discussion were purely about the legality or otherwise of the cladding, but really, it's about the journalism, which goes hand-in-hand with the presentation, which I reckon therefore makes it fair game, though the mods are free to disagree if they wish
SP
Steve in Pudsey
Let me try and simplify this. The job of broadcasters - particularly is a situation like this - is two-fold:

a) To relay the clearest and most-accurate set of facts as we understand them.

b) To relay what people in positions of power and accountability have said, even if what they've said turns out to be erroneous or a downright lie.

Those two concepts aren't mutually exclusive - in fact, they inherently compliment each other in terms of how one assembles high-quality journalism, because understanding when somebody potentially did their job wrongly lends itself to appreciating the overall context of a story even more.


I would expand point b to include making sure those people in positions of power are asked the challenging questions (at the appropriate time, once it is reasonable to assume that they have had a chance to find out what the hell is happenning) rather than merely relaying the version that they want to spin.

LBC have been doing some good work on this story, in particular finding that the cladding in question was still for sale on the maker's website with a case study about this particular tower block, which they have now removed following LBC's interest.
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A former member

LBC have been doing some good work on this story, in particular finding that the cladding in question was still for sale on the maker's website with a case study about this particular tower block, which they have now removed following LBC's interest.


Its been stated it was taking down out of respect, so again spin somewhere. I dare say your right.
IT
itsrobert Founding member
Probably better off discussing this at Metropol

https://metropol247.co.uk

See... in my opinion, you'd be right if the discussion were purely about the legality or otherwise of the cladding, but really, it's about the journalism, which goes hand-in-hand with the presentation, which I reckon therefore makes it fair game, though the mods are free to disagree if they wish

With respect, as a founding member and former moderator of TV Forum, I can categorically say that the original intention was the discussion of television idents and continuity - not of journalistic content. I completely accept your point that in reality the two go hand in hand, but we've always had a bias towards television branding rather than content. Granted, that may have slipped in recent years, but historically it's been the case.
SK
Skygeek
Probably better off discussing this at Metropol

https://metropol247.co.uk

See... in my opinion, you'd be right if the discussion were purely about the legality or otherwise of the cladding, but really, it's about the journalism, which goes hand-in-hand with the presentation, which I reckon therefore makes it fair game, though the mods are free to disagree if they wish

With respect, as a founding member and former moderator of TV Forum, I can categorically say that the original intention was the discussion of television idents and continuity - not of journalistic content. I completely accept your point that in reality the two go hand in hand, but we've always had a bias towards television branding rather than content. Granted, that may have slipped in recent years, but historically it's been the case.

Que sera sera.
IT
itsrobert Founding member
See... in my opinion, you'd be right if the discussion were purely about the legality or otherwise of the cladding, but really, it's about the journalism, which goes hand-in-hand with the presentation, which I reckon therefore makes it fair game, though the mods are free to disagree if they wish

With respect, as a founding member and former moderator of TV Forum, I can categorically say that the original intention was the discussion of television idents and continuity - not of journalistic content. I completely accept your point that in reality the two go hand in hand, but we've always had a bias towards television branding rather than content. Granted, that may have slipped in recent years, but historically it's been the case.

Que sera sera.

Not necessarily - if enough members remain loyal to the forum's founding principles. There's no reason we need to stray into discussion of journalism - there are plenty of other places online for that.
Joe, Nicky and dosxuk gave kudos
VM
VMPhil
Probably better off discussing this at Metropol

https://metropol247.co.uk

See... in my opinion, you'd be right if the discussion were purely about the legality or otherwise of the cladding, but really, it's about the journalism, which goes hand-in-hand with the presentation, which I reckon therefore makes it fair game, though the mods are free to disagree if they wish

As the discussion will inevitably become political, I think it would be better to err on the side of caution.

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