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London Tower Block Fire

(June 2017)

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MA
Markymark
.... and covered the U.S. ban on the paper review.....


Trump has banned Sky's paper review ? What will the man do next I wonder ?
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LL
London Lite Founding member
.... and covered the U.S. ban on the paper review.....


Trump has banned Sky's paper review ? What will the man do next I wonder ?


"Kevin Adams and Michelle Dewberry are bad dudes"
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A former member
Its been cleared up.

Quote:
The Department for Communities and Local Government has clarified that cladding using a composite aluminium panel with a polyethylene core is banned under the current Building Regulations guidance.

The material should not be used as fire safety cladding on buildings over 18m in height.

However, the department has said it is not able to comment on what type of cladding was used on Grenfell Tower building and that this would be subject to investigations.

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Brekkie
It seems BBC has opened a can of worms, over this Cladding, Philip Hammond has said he thought it was banned, - just now on Andrew marr, but Official department has said above said it shouldn't be used on Tower blocks., yet Sky news never said anything about that, or did there?

To my knowledge, we've done at least three VTs on cladding, and covered the U.S. ban on the paper review (which I produced) on Friday night.


Cheers for that, Is there a clip of that? the reason for asking is, what was in that Sky VT about Cladding? If its the same as what the BBC been saying then the question has to be Why there been no arrests over this.

Because it is still early days and the investigators are not monitoring the BBC and Sky for theircevidence. Also wouldn't put in past this government to try and retroactively amend legislation to deflect any blame.
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A former member
It would be pretty easy to take a sample and test it while also looking for the paper work for the stuff used.
VM
VMPhil
I was just watching my recording of last night's BBC Two highlights of Trooping the Colour. Immediately after the end of the programme, there was a continuity announcement over the Silk ident. I don't think mention has been made of this schedule change so I'll post it here:

'Our programming has changed slightly this evening in light of recent events. We were unable to bring you the Venice Biennale: Sink or Swim due to tragic involvement of artist Khadija Saye in the Grenfell Tower fire. The programme will be shown at a later date'.
SK
Skygeek
.... and covered the U.S. ban on the paper review.....


Trump has banned Sky's paper review ? What will the man do next I wonder ?

He'll have me sacked for running items that merely suggest he could be impeached.


Quite seriously, though, the idiots shaking their fists outside NBH were more interested in getting off on the sound of their own voices than they were on representing the voices of the victims - if anything, they dealt the only blow to what is otherwise an entirely-virtuous cause, entirely at the expense of the poor souls affected.

I can categorically tell you that no D-notice was ever issued barring reporting on the fire safety aspect of this story. Any suggestion to the contrary is quite simply - to borrow a Trumpian phrase (but apply it correctly) - fake news. It quite simply never happened, and the record proves that even if it had, the major broadcasters quite rightly proceeded with their reporting on the matter.
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A former member
This is where the next puzzle appears. BBC News live feeds is showing the following:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-40318318/chancellor-philip-hammond-says-grenfell-cladding-was-banned-in-uk?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=40318318%26%2338%3BHammond%3A+Grenfell+cladding+was+banned+in+UK%26%2338%3B&ns_fee=0+via+%40BBCNews


Yet at 15.24 :
A cladding believed to have been used on Grenfell Tower was not banned in the UK.

John Cowley, managing director of CEP Architectural Facades which fabricated the rainscreen panels and windows for Grenfell Tower's cladding sub-contractor Harley Facades Ltd, said: "Reynobond PE is not banned in the UK.

"Current building regulations allow its use in both low-rise and high-rise structures.

"The key question now is whether the overall design of the building's complete exterior was properly tested and subsequently signed off by the relevant authorities including the fire officer, building compliance officer and architect before commencement of the project."

The BBC has previously reported that the Department for Communities and Local Government has said such material should not be used as cladding on buildings over 18m high.
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Worzel


Is it not possible to keep this thread about the presentation, not speculation about what caused the fire?
Andrew, Steve Williams and dosxuk gave kudos
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A former member

Is it not possible to keep this thread about the presentation, not speculation about what caused the fire?


Here is the Problem, the BBC ( Sky now aswell) are reporting this, Im not speculating what caused the fire, Im highlighting the fact that BBC and now sky keep on highlighting this fact. That is how both companies are now presenting this story. Yet no one is singing off the same Hym sheet. Either this will go down will OR this will cause down the line for the BBC..

What do the mods think? IF there say one thing and keep sticking to it, then that how it presented to there viewers something, rightly or wrongly.
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dosxuk
IF there say one thing and keep sticking to it, then that how it presents something, rightly or wrongly.


You could say the same thing about storylines in Eastenders or the topics of questions on The Chase.
SK
Skygeek
Let me try and simplify this. The job of broadcasters - particularly is a situation like this - is two-fold:

a) To relay the clearest and most-accurate set of facts as we understand them.

b) To relay what people in positions of power and accountability have said, even if what they've said turns out to be erroneous or a downright lie.

Those two concepts aren't mutually exclusive - in fact, they inherently compliment each other in terms of how one assembles high-quality journalism, because understanding when somebody potentially did their job wrongly lends itself to appreciating the overall context of a story even more.

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