SP
Perhaps Stuart is thinking of MOTD2 Extra which does come from the studio in the Sports Centre which isn't used for sport bulletins into the News Channel/World News.
ST
I don't think they actually own any of the facilities they use, although much of what they occupy is on a long term lease from The Peel Group, while other facilities may be on shorter rental terms for specific programmes.
I've checked the schedule for next week, and it was actually a repeat of MOTD (the programme shown before Marr) which I think comes from their main studio/set, which is quite a large and versatile studio by the look of it.
IIRC the MOTD studio is rented by the bbc as you said. What studios do the BBC actually own in Salford?
I don't think they actually own any of the facilities they use, although much of what they occupy is on a long term lease from The Peel Group, while other facilities may be on shorter rental terms for specific programmes.
Perhaps Stuart is thinking of MOTD2 Extra which does come from the studio in the Sports Centre which isn't used for sport bulletins into the News Channel/World News.
I've checked the schedule for next week, and it was actually a repeat of MOTD (the programme shown before Marr) which I think comes from their main studio/set, which is quite a large and versatile studio by the look of it.
BR
I don't think MOTD2 comes from a BBC studio though does it? Doesn't it come from a Dock 10 studio hired specifically for the show, as MOTD does?
Football Focus, Final Score and MOTD all come from a Dock 10 studio AIUI, and I believe MOTD2 does as well?
I'm sure Breakfast would love the budget to be able to hire a studio from a third party resource provider like Dock 10...
If only the BBC had a television centre where they could have their own studios available for the programmes that require them.
I caught the end of MOTD2 the other day. It seems a shame they can't use that studio: it looks more versatile and could look OK if re-lit and with the addition of a sofa.
I don't think MOTD2 comes from a BBC studio though does it? Doesn't it come from a Dock 10 studio hired specifically for the show, as MOTD does?
Football Focus, Final Score and MOTD all come from a Dock 10 studio AIUI, and I believe MOTD2 does as well?
I'm sure Breakfast would love the budget to be able to hire a studio from a third party resource provider like Dock 10...
If only the BBC had a television centre where they could have their own studios available for the programmes that require them.
SP
Yep that studio is the equivalent of TC5 at TV Centre, but it's not permanently booked for BBC Sport, it's only booked (and paid for) when required and is often used by other productions during the week.
This is the studio I thought you might have been referring to, which is permanently available for BBC Sport and tends to be used for used for lower profile stuff like the version of Football Focus that goes out on BBC World News. (Not sure why it is used for MOTD2 Extra as presumably the main studio is available a it's used the previous night for MOTD and that evening for MOTD2, unless it's cheaper to staff).
I've checked the schedule for next week, and it was actually a repeat of MOTD (the programme shown before Marr) which I think comes from their main studio/set, which is quite a large and versatile studio by the look of it.
Yep that studio is the equivalent of TC5 at TV Centre, but it's not permanently booked for BBC Sport, it's only booked (and paid for) when required and is often used by other productions during the week.
This is the studio I thought you might have been referring to, which is permanently available for BBC Sport and tends to be used for used for lower profile stuff like the version of Football Focus that goes out on BBC World News. (Not sure why it is used for MOTD2 Extra as presumably the main studio is available a it's used the previous night for MOTD and that evening for MOTD2, unless it's cheaper to staff).
NG
I don't think they actually own any of the facilities they use, although much of what they occupy is on a long term lease from The Peel Group, while other facilities may be on shorter rental terms for specific programmes.
I've checked the schedule for next week, and it was actually a repeat of MOTD (the programme shown before Marr) which I think comes from their main studio/set, which is quite a large and versatile studio by the look of it.
I think that the BBC own the production facilities (or their banks do) within the "BBC" buildings on long term lease from Peel (though they are staffed in a deal with The Farm). As such the BBC 'own' them and can operate them whenever they wish - subject to staffing. (If you take the "BBC don't own the building" analogy then you could argue that as ITN don't own Gray's Inn Road anymore, they don't own their studios either?)
The point I was making was that studio used for MOTD, Score, Focus etc. is neither owned nor operated by the BBC but is hired as a facility deal from Dock 10 a couple of days a week, and the set is designed for set/strike rather than as a standing set (as some of the previous TC5 designs were).
However unlike the old TC5 deal, which was a permanent buy-out 365 days a year (with occasional ad hoc use by third parties like RTE for the election etc.), Sport don't have access to an equivalent studio under the same deal in Salford.
So they can't just move Breakfast into the MOTD studio, as they don't own the studio (and haven't bought it out permanently)
noggin
Founding member
IIRC the MOTD studio is rented by the bbc as you said. What studios do the BBC actually own in Salford?
I don't think they actually own any of the facilities they use, although much of what they occupy is on a long term lease from The Peel Group, while other facilities may be on shorter rental terms for specific programmes.
Perhaps Stuart is thinking of MOTD2 Extra which does come from the studio in the Sports Centre which isn't used for sport bulletins into the News Channel/World News.
I've checked the schedule for next week, and it was actually a repeat of MOTD (the programme shown before Marr) which I think comes from their main studio/set, which is quite a large and versatile studio by the look of it.
I think that the BBC own the production facilities (or their banks do) within the "BBC" buildings on long term lease from Peel (though they are staffed in a deal with The Farm). As such the BBC 'own' them and can operate them whenever they wish - subject to staffing. (If you take the "BBC don't own the building" analogy then you could argue that as ITN don't own Gray's Inn Road anymore, they don't own their studios either?)
The point I was making was that studio used for MOTD, Score, Focus etc. is neither owned nor operated by the BBC but is hired as a facility deal from Dock 10 a couple of days a week, and the set is designed for set/strike rather than as a standing set (as some of the previous TC5 designs were).
However unlike the old TC5 deal, which was a permanent buy-out 365 days a year (with occasional ad hoc use by third parties like RTE for the election etc.), Sport don't have access to an equivalent studio under the same deal in Salford.
So they can't just move Breakfast into the MOTD studio, as they don't own the studio (and haven't bought it out permanently)
SP
In fact the set used for sport bulletins into the NC might be better - it looks more like a BBC News set (in yellow rather than red) than a BBC Sport set (although you could argue it has nods to classic Grandstand sets), with the right lighting it could look reasonably similar to Studio E. In fact I would't be surprised if there was a planned contingency scenario to use it if Breakfast can't use its normal studio, assuming its gallery is capable of running a long form programme.
That set is looking much better nowadays - when they first used it it came across as little more than a cupboard, but a change of desk and lighting, plus a few other touches, has significantly improved it. Not sure it would work for Breakfast as it's probably a bit too small.
In fact the set used for sport bulletins into the NC might be better - it looks more like a BBC News set (in yellow rather than red) than a BBC Sport set (although you could argue it has nods to classic Grandstand sets), with the right lighting it could look reasonably similar to Studio E. In fact I would't be surprised if there was a planned contingency scenario to use it if Breakfast can't use its normal studio, assuming its gallery is capable of running a long form programme.
JO
Yes, they utilised it really well during the limited Aus Open coverage - lovely blue and warm yellow lighting and a subtle Melbourne window in the background, which helped to hide its compactness.
That set is looking much better nowadays - when they first used it it came across as little more than a cupboard, but a change of desk and lighting, plus a few other touches, has significantly improved it. Not sure it would work for Breakfast as it's probably a bit too small.
Yes, they utilised it really well during the limited Aus Open coverage - lovely blue and warm yellow lighting and a subtle Melbourne window in the background, which helped to hide its compactness.
BR
In fact the set used for sport bulletins into the NC might be better - it looks more like a BBC News set (in yellow rather than red) than a BBC Sport set (although you could argue it has nods to classic Grandstand sets), with the right lighting it could look reasonably similar to Studio E. In fact I would't be surprised if there was a planned contingency scenario to use it if Breakfast can't use its normal studio, assuming its gallery is capable of running a long form programme.
I do think the main sport set looks great and far better than the main news sets - looks bright, modern and appropriate, plus feels like they're in the heart of the news room. The main BBC News set may be smack bang in the middle of their newsroom but for me the connection just isn't there, Royal visits aside.
That set is looking much better nowadays - when they first used it it came across as little more than a cupboard, but a change of desk and lighting, plus a few other touches, has significantly improved it. Not sure it would work for Breakfast as it's probably a bit too small.
In fact the set used for sport bulletins into the NC might be better - it looks more like a BBC News set (in yellow rather than red) than a BBC Sport set (although you could argue it has nods to classic Grandstand sets), with the right lighting it could look reasonably similar to Studio E. In fact I would't be surprised if there was a planned contingency scenario to use it if Breakfast can't use its normal studio, assuming its gallery is capable of running a long form programme.
I do think the main sport set looks great and far better than the main news sets - looks bright, modern and appropriate, plus feels like they're in the heart of the news room. The main BBC News set may be smack bang in the middle of their newsroom but for me the connection just isn't there, Royal visits aside.
SW
They have used the main studio for MOTD2 Extra a few times, when there's been live sport which is also using the studio (had the Australian Open final been on BBC2 as planned the other week, I'm sure MOTD2 Extra would have come from the main studio). However the set isn't perhaps the most appropriate for a round table debate and it's looked a bit awkward, plus as you say it's probably a more expensive studio to run. It's clearly a very low budget programme.
This is the studio I thought you might have been referring to, which is permanently available for BBC Sport and tends to be used for used for lower profile stuff like the version of Football Focus that goes out on BBC World News. (Not sure why it is used for MOTD2 Extra as presumably the main studio is available a it's used the previous night for MOTD and that evening for MOTD2, unless it's cheaper to staff).
They have used the main studio for MOTD2 Extra a few times, when there's been live sport which is also using the studio (had the Australian Open final been on BBC2 as planned the other week, I'm sure MOTD2 Extra would have come from the main studio). However the set isn't perhaps the most appropriate for a round table debate and it's looked a bit awkward, plus as you say it's probably a more expensive studio to run. It's clearly a very low budget programme.
WO
In fact the set used for sport bulletins into the NC might be better - it looks more like a BBC News set (in yellow rather than red) than a BBC Sport set (although you could argue it has nods to classic Grandstand sets), with the right lighting it could look reasonably similar to Studio E. In fact I would't be surprised if there was a planned contingency scenario to use it if Breakfast can't use its normal studio, assuming its gallery is capable of running a long form programme.
I'm sure I read somewhere (maybe on here) that the current main BBC Sport set that feeds into the News channel was going to be the original set for Breakfast and NWT but the BBC DG at the time (I believe Mark Thompson) overruled the decision for some reason?
That set is looking much better nowadays - when they first used it it came across as little more than a cupboard, but a change of desk and lighting, plus a few other touches, has significantly improved it. Not sure it would work for Breakfast as it's probably a bit too small.
In fact the set used for sport bulletins into the NC might be better - it looks more like a BBC News set (in yellow rather than red) than a BBC Sport set (although you could argue it has nods to classic Grandstand sets), with the right lighting it could look reasonably similar to Studio E. In fact I would't be surprised if there was a planned contingency scenario to use it if Breakfast can't use its normal studio, assuming its gallery is capable of running a long form programme.
I'm sure I read somewhere (maybe on here) that the current main BBC Sport set that feeds into the News channel was going to be the original set for Breakfast and NWT but the BBC DG at the time (I believe Mark Thompson) overruled the decision for some reason?