MS
From their publicity...
http://www.sheffieldlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/1050927.jpg
I suspect this also answers why wind and traffic noise feature so much in their interviews too.
That looks a lot like a Sennheiser MD42 or some variant of it? We have a couple of those, and they're terrible mics at even the function they're supposed to be used for.
I don't have a chance to see this on broadcast TV. You mention interlacing problems, so are they actually using traditional ENG camcorders?
From their publicity...
http://www.sheffieldlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/1050927.jpg
I suspect this also answers why wind and traffic noise feature so much in their interviews too.
That looks a lot like a Sennheiser MD42 or some variant of it? We have a couple of those, and they're terrible mics at even the function they're supposed to be used for.
RI
Firstly thanks to dosxuk for posting these videos...at least I think. As Square Eyes said that video of the News bulletin is incredibly creepy. It's shocking to think people were scared by the Yorkshire TV idents all those years ago, when compared to this. It's like a Channel 4 spoof or something. It's also possibly the most (non-horror) disturbing and downright awful thing I've ever seen made for TV...I wonder if it will become a cult hit? 
This is why Amateur/experimental Local programming like this belongs on Internet TV in my opinion, not taking up valuable space on TV platforms where something more useful/entertaining ( like a 'chat' channel...joking ) could be. Let the BBC/ITV provide (sub) Regional TV ( with ITV gaining help via regulation changes NOT Licence Fee money ), let Local TV find it's place and niche ( with some help via Licence Fee funded TV advertising etc ) on the Internet.
This is why Amateur/experimental Local programming like this belongs on Internet TV in my opinion, not taking up valuable space on TV platforms where something more useful/entertaining ( like a 'chat' channel...joking ) could be. Let the BBC/ITV provide (sub) Regional TV ( with ITV gaining help via regulation changes NOT Licence Fee money ), let Local TV find it's place and niche ( with some help via Licence Fee funded TV advertising etc ) on the Internet.
MW
I think cwilliams1976 has a sister...
That news bulletin looks like the type of thing you'd expect from an early 80s strike edition of Thames News or something.
At least that means cwilliams1976 is finally getting employment
At least that means cwilliams1976 is finally getting employment
I think cwilliams1976 has a sister...
MO
Certainly right if you dont know what your doing.
I can't imagine how anyone would manage to fill a rolling news channel with local content. The local newspapers or local websites don't manage to find that much interest either.
Certainly right if you dont know what your doing.
DO
Certainly right if you dont know what your doing.
Have a look at www.sheffieldforum.co.uk - it's one of (if not the) biggest independent location based web forums in the UK. Everything that happens in the city is reported there, often with the comment that the local newspapers will pick up on a story once they've read it there. Its very easy to get a sense of the big stories affecting the city on there - it brought me first (& more complete) coverage of the furniture store fire and last night's missing child. That said, there's little, that's coverable, on there that they haven't. That either means nobody is interested in other stories, or they don't exist. Either way, pointless trying to cover them.
I suspect anyone trying to run a 24hr news channel would have to rely on the sort of stories which are roundly condemned on there ("I got my fake £1 coin confiscated by a bus driver", "The council won't let me put a jakuzzi in my flat" - always accompanied by some chav looking glum) and "investigative" journalism of the we-know-you're-not-interested-but-we've-found-a-bit-of-a-story type.
I can't imagine how anyone would manage to fill a rolling news channel with local content. The local newspapers or local websites don't manage to find that much interest either.
Certainly right if you dont know what your doing.
Have a look at www.sheffieldforum.co.uk - it's one of (if not the) biggest independent location based web forums in the UK. Everything that happens in the city is reported there, often with the comment that the local newspapers will pick up on a story once they've read it there. Its very easy to get a sense of the big stories affecting the city on there - it brought me first (& more complete) coverage of the furniture store fire and last night's missing child. That said, there's little, that's coverable, on there that they haven't. That either means nobody is interested in other stories, or they don't exist. Either way, pointless trying to cover them.
I suspect anyone trying to run a 24hr news channel would have to rely on the sort of stories which are roundly condemned on there ("I got my fake £1 coin confiscated by a bus driver", "The council won't let me put a jakuzzi in my flat" - always accompanied by some chav looking glum) and "investigative" journalism of the we-know-you're-not-interested-but-we've-found-a-bit-of-a-story type.
MR
Sheffield Live's Weather Package is available from here: http://videohive.net/item/clean-weather/8045679?WT.ac=category_item&WT.z_author=enakentii
BR
It's a shame really ITV dumped ITV Local before it had a chance to really get going as they kind of had the right idea, and now they'd also be able to deliver content via Smart TVs too it could really have worked for them and would be a far better arrangement than channels like Sheffield Live.
Most of us here doubted the need for and viability of these local channels when they were first announced - and the more we see of them the more obvious it is there isn't really a demand for them and hence isn't the funds available to make them viable. That Sheffield Live News set has to be one of the worst sets I've ever seen on TV!
Most of us here doubted the need for and viability of these local channels when they were first announced - and the more we see of them the more obvious it is there isn't really a demand for them and hence isn't the funds available to make them viable. That Sheffield Live News set has to be one of the worst sets I've ever seen on TV!
RI
Absolutely agree. ITV Local was ahead of it's time...one of very few things ITV did right when it came to the Internet in the noughties. Instead of spending multi-millions on the likes of Friends Reunited, ITV should in my opinion have been cementing their USP with a real push of their own ITV Local service alongside their sub-Regional News and other Regional programming (if ITV would have still been in trouble in 2008 they could have proposed to have kept this level of service in exchange for the scrapping of CRR in 2008?). If this had stayed, I'm sure eventually the BBC would also have been permitted to join the Internet Local TV 'revolution' and I'm sure it would have been greater quality than laughable channels such as Sheffield Live*.
* That's not to say other people shouldn't be doing Local TV apart from the BBC/ITV.
It's a shame really ITV dumped ITV Local before it had a chance to really get going as they kind of had the right idea, and now they'd also be able to deliver content via Smart TVs too it could really have worked for them and would be a far better arrangement than channels like Sheffield Live.
Most of us here doubted the need for and viability of these local channels when they were first announced - and the more we see of them the more obvious it is there isn't really a demand for them and hence isn't the funds available to make them viable. That Sheffield Live News set has to be one of the worst sets I've ever seen on TV!
Most of us here doubted the need for and viability of these local channels when they were first announced - and the more we see of them the more obvious it is there isn't really a demand for them and hence isn't the funds available to make them viable. That Sheffield Live News set has to be one of the worst sets I've ever seen on TV!
Absolutely agree. ITV Local was ahead of it's time...one of very few things ITV did right when it came to the Internet in the noughties. Instead of spending multi-millions on the likes of Friends Reunited, ITV should in my opinion have been cementing their USP with a real push of their own ITV Local service alongside their sub-Regional News and other Regional programming (if ITV would have still been in trouble in 2008 they could have proposed to have kept this level of service in exchange for the scrapping of CRR in 2008?). If this had stayed, I'm sure eventually the BBC would also have been permitted to join the Internet Local TV 'revolution' and I'm sure it would have been greater quality than laughable channels such as Sheffield Live*.
* That's not to say other people shouldn't be doing Local TV apart from the BBC/ITV.
SC
Thanks for dosxuk for the videos, quite depressing to see the terrible quality of output that part of the licence fee has been used to create. Was wondering if you might be able to share the windmills filler? I've been trying to understand when it's being used - are you suggesting it's being put on air to fill gaps that they don't have content for? Surely that must tell Ofcom that this outfit isn't ready to broadcast.
scottishtv
Founding member
Oh yay, the windmills are back again... I guess that means it's another hour of nothingness.
Thanks for dosxuk for the videos, quite depressing to see the terrible quality of output that part of the licence fee has been used to create. Was wondering if you might be able to share the windmills filler? I've been trying to understand when it's being used - are you suggesting it's being put on air to fill gaps that they don't have content for? Surely that must tell Ofcom that this outfit isn't ready to broadcast.
ST
Re: the news set, this is a still of the original background for the news (as I mentioned here: http://www.tvforum.co.uk/forums/post934367#post-934367) - it doesn't quite capture how distracting it was!
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77772000/jpg/_77772531_sheffieldlive.jpg
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-29322248
Yes, it's being used to fill gaps between programming - so, for example, when the news ends ten minutes "early" (twenty minutes in to it's half-hour slot) they'll put Windmills on. This surely cannot contribute to their output quota, if indeed there is one for this licence?
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77772000/jpg/_77772531_sheffieldlive.jpg
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-29322248
Was wondering if you might be able to share the windmills filler? I've been trying to understand when it's being used - are you suggesting it's being put on air to fill gaps that they don't have content for? Surely that must tell Ofcom that this outfit isn't ready to broadcast.
Yes, it's being used to fill gaps between programming - so, for example, when the news ends ten minutes "early" (twenty minutes in to it's half-hour slot) they'll put Windmills on. This surely cannot contribute to their output quota, if indeed there is one for this licence?
MO
I suspect anyone trying to run a 24hr news channel would have to rely on the sort of stories which are roundly condemned on there ("I got my fake £1 coin confiscated by a bus driver", "The council won't let me put a jakuzzi in my flat" - always accompanied by some chav looking glum) and "investigative" journalism of the we-know-you're-not-interested-but-we've-found-a-bit-of-a-story type.
Exactly, if you dont know what you were doing, thats the kinda stories a station would cover.
I suspect anyone trying to run a 24hr news channel would have to rely on the sort of stories which are roundly condemned on there ("I got my fake £1 coin confiscated by a bus driver", "The council won't let me put a jakuzzi in my flat" - always accompanied by some chav looking glum) and "investigative" journalism of the we-know-you're-not-interested-but-we've-found-a-bit-of-a-story type.
Exactly, if you dont know what you were doing, thats the kinda stories a station would cover.