What went wrong with night time

STV did it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxSZWslWqxk&feature=channel_page

I did not want to start a new thread about night time:

I would like to ask, about the yorkshire and TT night time service between 1995 - 1998

In 1993 there started there own service, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mt81OIYeyQ

By 1998 when Granada brought the companies over there took the London feed instead, the question is:

** Did YTV night shift last until 1999? Or did it take the feed from the other United News and Media ITV ( UNM having a big share in YTV between 96-99?

EDIT:
Channel 4, has started repeating ST elsewhere at around 4am, since mid december. I found it a bit weird!

It's the second time they've been showing it in that slot, I think they're just using up the rights as they had it for More4 originally.

Well I know from having mentioned it on the same page that clip came from how the branding for this went.

Basically Night Shift lasted a few years, then YTV/TTTV went back to just using their own daytime idents and branding throughout the night instead (TTTV had this happen for both Grey and C3NE eras so it must span a few years). See the Medinner thread floating around as that's a clip from overnight on Tyne Tees:-

http://www.tvforum.co.uk/forums/topic30550

I suspect this whole service continued to be originated by Yorkshire rather than them just adding branding to someone else's, as the branding and trails were pretty smooth and seemless for a night service, and there were frequent Yorkshire strands and programmes shared between the two (Eastern Cinema being a slot which springs to mind, complete with Yorkshire CSAs playing out on Tyne Tees). Some of this was even kept after they started taking on the London feed!

http://www.tvwhirl.co.uk/testvlogos/easterncinema1997.mp4
http://www.tvwhirl.co.uk/testvlogos/yorkshirecsa1997.mp4

I think that, in 1996, when the overnight schedules were completely changed and shows like God's Gift and Bushell on the Box arrived, there were two overnight services, one that most of the regions took and another than the United stations, Meridian, Anglia and HTV, took. However very early on Bruce Gyngell decided that all the overnight shows, especially God's Gift, were obscene, so they went their own way and did their own overnight service, with the few network shows they considered suitable mixed with old films and, as you say, Bollywood films on Sunday nights. I think. That would probably have lasted until Granada took over in 1998.

Thank you both for that information, so the last piece of the jigsaw is now complete.

I;m surprised ITV haven't closed down at midnight and give there space to a porn channel.

I still think there is some sort of demand now many people are up during the night,


Also when did there get the rights?

Re the YTV/Tyne Tees service.

"Night Shift" began on October 5th 1992, just after the takeover. From the start this was an entirely separate service for the two north easterly franchises, and had the Bollywood movies from the start. YTV had shown these since around 1989 on Friday nights, but moved them to Sundays when the NS service went online.

TTTV had taken Granada's Night Time up to this point. ISTR that until around 1997, most of the larger stations went their own way to a greater or lesser extent.

Gyngell's policy of refusing to show contentious material started in 1993, with shows like The Good Sex Guide getting the chop. This brought them into disagreement with the Tyne Tees board who for several weeks showed the programme despite YTV's objections.

Night Shift was renowned for starting very early, beginning when the Tyne Tees announcer went off duty. The earliest I recall was one Saturday in 1993 when the service started at 9.50pm with a news bulletin.

Night Shift ended in 1994, when it was replaced with YTV/TTTV branded services coming from Leeds in each case. Initially the announcements for both were recorded by the staff YTV announcer, but after a while the Newcastle-based announcer would record these. On a few occasions Bill Steel could be heard on Yorkshire in 1995. In March 1996 of course this reverted to all TTTV presentation being sourced from Leeds.

YTV/TTTV retailed an independent service from London until around May 1998. From January of that year all programmes were sourced from London but YTV placed their own presentation on top; first with YTV/C3NE idents, later with the dancer idents from London but with YTV announcers. This, I believe was done because YTV were experimenting with teleshopping at 12.30am, and shifting the night's programmes back half an hour without ad-breaks for the rest of the night.

As far as the other stations were concerned, I believe that Central and Granada joined with London's service around 1995 -- certainly Central was taking London's service in 1996.

Regarding Jobfinder, Tyne Tees showed this during 1987 and 1988, all night from closedown to 6am. They also showed it for a while during the times Granada did, but didn't seem to bother after around 1990 when they stopped broadcasting ads altogether after 2am and just left the raw feed from Granada to run out (ads were replaced with a "Back Soon" caption). This I always felt was risky as they were effectively unable to pre-empt anything that might have appeared on that feed (as I understand it it was literally left to run -- no staff were present at TX).

thank you for that informations, as it give a much better picture of the state of play.



In 1998/1999 when most the stuff starting coming from London and the content started to get poor, as you say there will still people doing there won thing



Another First for a ITV company given to YTV

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Central still opt out during this time up 1998, to bring Job finder and Asian Eye, among other local shows. ( 4am - 5.30am)




and nothing has been recorded that it went wrong?

Which does leave us with one Questions: Which Company of the United News and Media ITV companies

* Anglia,
* Meridian
* HTV

Provided the night time feed for the other two stations? between 1996 - 1999. also is there Any night time clips of there idents around?

Some Seen and UNseen promo of the Granada feed in here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7FO_Jr0dQ8

How things went out on Tyne Tees, laid out in order from Granada's era right through to the generic hearts can be seen where it's been for the past 7 years or so of course...

http://www.tvwhirl.co.uk/nighttime.html

I was doing the digitizing of a lot of this nighttime stuff from VHS recently. One of the tapes was in the middle of the infamous 'Back Shortly' caption when it crumpled in the machine so I suspect I've lost something there (the permanent MPEG2 clip has a non-authentic warping of the music and picture now in its final seconds; I'll dig it out and stick online what's there later ).

All this of course made possible due to video timers of the nineties being so hard to work. If you weren't going to be up for the end of the recording, it was easier just to leave it running all night than to try and work the timer!

My guess is that it came from Meridian, which already provided playout for both itself and Anglia. As for the ident, here's both the short lived 1999 idents I found on an old tape: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLnaV8OV8Ks