PA
Why do they even need to advertise it's repeated on BBC Three?
Surely everyone knows by now anyway.
It doesn't happen after any programme - they don't list when other programmes are going to be repeated.
Surely everyone knows by now anyway.
It doesn't happen after any programme - they don't list when other programmes are going to be repeated.
PT
I guess the occasional promo card would be better after the odd episode but who knows.
NG
I think there are few - or no - shows as popular that are repeated on the same day and just a few hours later.
The end card is to remind people if they tune in for the last few minutes, or who just see the closing credits, that they can still see the episode later that day. Of course most of us know this - but the end card just acts as a reminder - in case we didn't instantly think of doing it.
noggin
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lateshowuk posted:
Why do they even need to advertise it's repeated on BBC Three?
Surely everyone knows by now anyway.
It doesn't happen after any programme - they don't list when other programmes are going to be repeated.
Surely everyone knows by now anyway.
It doesn't happen after any programme - they don't list when other programmes are going to be repeated.
I think there are few - or no - shows as popular that are repeated on the same day and just a few hours later.
The end card is to remind people if they tune in for the last few minutes, or who just see the closing credits, that they can still see the episode later that day. Of course most of us know this - but the end card just acts as a reminder - in case we didn't instantly think of doing it.
NJ
I've always thought that as well - it's always been like that though.
Surely it couldn't take much effort for them to make an overlay slide for the BBC Three repeat?
When the EastEnders omnibus is split on Sunday afternoon for whatever reason, if the short part of the omnibus is only half an hour, they'll just play out the original weekday episode in question again, which of course continues to advertise that that episode is airing on BBC Three later that same night. Point being they don't alter the endcap just for a one-off showing, and BBC Three uses the same copy that went out on BBC One with the burnt-in endcap.
Neil Jones
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lateshowuk posted:
StuartPlymouth posted:
It's also rather sloppy to leave the "repeated at 10pm" on the credits at the end of the 10pm repeat!
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I've always thought that as well - it's always been like that though.
Surely it couldn't take much effort for them to make an overlay slide for the BBC Three repeat?
When the EastEnders omnibus is split on Sunday afternoon for whatever reason, if the short part of the omnibus is only half an hour, they'll just play out the original weekday episode in question again, which of course continues to advertise that that episode is airing on BBC Three later that same night. Point being they don't alter the endcap just for a one-off showing, and BBC Three uses the same copy that went out on BBC One with the burnt-in endcap.
MB
Can't caption data be embedded into the TX master such that a capgen at Red Bee playout generates the 'repeat' text live on original transmission, and not on repeat transmissions? i.e. In whatever way this is done for news items, that drive a live capgen to display the names of correspondents, 'library pictures' tags, 'Pictures from' tags and so on, in the style relevant to the bulletin/channel the report is being played out on?
MB
Not really. I think what grates with people about IPPs is that they are screen content added by someone other than the programme maker, in a sprit and style not sympathetic to that of the programme maker.
That pointer is made as part of the programme, incorporated seamlessly into the programme, and most importantly, shown at the MOST appropriate time for the programme maker, not an inappropriate time (like just over the dramatic last couple of sentences of a cliffhanger scene).
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but should annoy everyone on here as it's a IPP!
but should annoy everyone on here as it's a IPP!
Not really. I think what grates with people about IPPs is that they are screen content added by someone other than the programme maker, in a sprit and style not sympathetic to that of the programme maker.
That pointer is made as part of the programme, incorporated seamlessly into the programme, and most importantly, shown at the MOST appropriate time for the programme maker, not an inappropriate time (like just over the dramatic last couple of sentences of a cliffhanger scene).
NG
In theory yes - though the data would be metadata accompanying the TX master not in the master itself. (Similarly in News the caption detail isn't part of the video clip - though metadata could be associated with the clip but it isn't - it is separate instructions tied to the "start of clip" timing event)
HOWEVER - News vision mixers are live throughout the VT being played - so keying up and down astons (or in the case of News 24 - triggering the permanently keyed graphics layer to add the aston) is easy. In presentation playout areas the programme is often not routed through the vision mixer apart from when it needs to be - as the VM is used for rehearsing future junctions whilst the current programme is on-air. Whilst it is likely that this wouldn't be the case for end credits - so you could do what you suggest - though I suspect the infrastructure to do it would be a bit tricky. (You are unlikely to be able to push back the programme with the key in an ECP for example)
noggin
Founding member
Mark Boulton posted:
Can't caption data be embedded into the TX master such that a capgen at Red Bee playout generates the 'repeat' text live on original transmission, and not on repeat transmissions? i.e. In whatever way this is done for news items, that drive a live capgen to display the names of correspondents, 'library pictures' tags, 'Pictures from' tags and so on, in the style relevant to the bulletin/channel the report is being played out on?
In theory yes - though the data would be metadata accompanying the TX master not in the master itself. (Similarly in News the caption detail isn't part of the video clip - though metadata could be associated with the clip but it isn't - it is separate instructions tied to the "start of clip" timing event)
HOWEVER - News vision mixers are live throughout the VT being played - so keying up and down astons (or in the case of News 24 - triggering the permanently keyed graphics layer to add the aston) is easy. In presentation playout areas the programme is often not routed through the vision mixer apart from when it needs to be - as the VM is used for rehearsing future junctions whilst the current programme is on-air. Whilst it is likely that this wouldn't be the case for end credits - so you could do what you suggest - though I suspect the infrastructure to do it would be a bit tricky. (You are unlikely to be able to push back the programme with the key in an ECP for example)
DE
In theory yes - though the data would be metadata accompanying the TX master not in the master itself. (Similarly in News the caption detail isn't part of the video clip - though metadata could be associated with the clip but it isn't - it is separate instructions tied to the "start of clip" timing event)
HOWEVER - News vision mixers are live throughout the VT being played - so keying up and down astons (or in the case of News 24 - triggering the permanently keyed graphics layer to add the aston) is easy. In presentation playout areas the programme is often not routed through the vision mixer apart from when it needs to be - as the VM is used for rehearsing future junctions whilst the current programme is on-air. Whilst it is likely that this wouldn't be the case for end credits - so you could do what you suggest - though I suspect the infrastructure to do it would be a bit tricky. (You are unlikely to be able to push back the programme with the key in an ECP for example)
I don't know exactly how BBC 3 is set up, but AFAIK in NC 1 and NC 2 the programme is routed through the mixer most of the time. It's only at the end, for the end credit squeeze, that the programme is routed through the Clarity (caption and DVE device) and even then, the output of the Clarity is cut up on the mixer. The preview stream has its own mixer.
If you wanted to add the lower third "repeat" text to the last 3 seconds of a clean copy of EastEnders, it would be as simple as adding an IPP to the schedule; which is simply DSKing a page of text from the Clarity.
The only text that may need to change is the time of TX... and that can be easily changed, in the same way that the programme name in an IPP can be changed, by retyping it in the TEXT DATA field of Colossus.
noggin posted:
Mark Boulton posted:
Can't caption data be embedded into the TX master such that a capgen at Red Bee playout generates the 'repeat' text live on original transmission, and not on repeat transmissions? i.e. In whatever way this is done for news items, that drive a live capgen to display the names of correspondents, 'library pictures' tags, 'Pictures from' tags and so on, in the style relevant to the bulletin/channel the report is being played out on?
In theory yes - though the data would be metadata accompanying the TX master not in the master itself. (Similarly in News the caption detail isn't part of the video clip - though metadata could be associated with the clip but it isn't - it is separate instructions tied to the "start of clip" timing event)
HOWEVER - News vision mixers are live throughout the VT being played - so keying up and down astons (or in the case of News 24 - triggering the permanently keyed graphics layer to add the aston) is easy. In presentation playout areas the programme is often not routed through the vision mixer apart from when it needs to be - as the VM is used for rehearsing future junctions whilst the current programme is on-air. Whilst it is likely that this wouldn't be the case for end credits - so you could do what you suggest - though I suspect the infrastructure to do it would be a bit tricky. (You are unlikely to be able to push back the programme with the key in an ECP for example)
I don't know exactly how BBC 3 is set up, but AFAIK in NC 1 and NC 2 the programme is routed through the mixer most of the time. It's only at the end, for the end credit squeeze, that the programme is routed through the Clarity (caption and DVE device) and even then, the output of the Clarity is cut up on the mixer. The preview stream has its own mixer.
If you wanted to add the lower third "repeat" text to the last 3 seconds of a clean copy of EastEnders, it would be as simple as adding an IPP to the schedule; which is simply DSKing a page of text from the Clarity.
The only text that may need to change is the time of TX... and that can be easily changed, in the same way that the programme name in an IPP can be changed, by retyping it in the TEXT DATA field of Colossus.