granada or itv granada ?

Indeed its all gone horribly unpleasant. Nearly as bad as Martin's "Mutural [sic] Mast*rbation" [sick].

I think I should save this thread by announcing it is Nick Harvey's birthday.

I suggest you *ALL* annotate each of your posts today to reflect that point.

Happy Birthday Nick.

That reminds me of a favourite quote (from Woody Allen, I think):

"Mast*rbation is sex with someone I love!"

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Back to the point...

In one way, it seems reasonable to suppose that the likes of, say, "ITV Anglia" and "ITV Tyne Tees" will be replaced by something more like "ITV East" and "ITV North East" (respectively, obv.) eventually .

But, the above notion is an extension of the notion that ITVplc will want to shake-off all trace of the previous regional company names - A notion which is largely true, but there's an hypocracy (sp?) on the part of the GMG element of ITVplc (70% of ITVplc!), whereby the word "Granada" is seemingly immune from this.

(I say this, on the basis of the "Granada" production caption, supposedly launching soon for ex-GMG regions' (non-local-news) productions. Whereas the ex-Carlton regions' (non-local-news) productions are credited as "ITV (region)" productions).

At least Carlton's attitute to the "Central Independent Television" and "Westcountry Television" names was consistent . Better the devil you know, and all that...

Bless you, my dear. Your reward will come....



Interesting that you see it as hypocrisy. Granada is a long-established TV broadcast and production name, and as ITV announced some time back that they would keep the name for TV production, it's not going to go away. Equally, for the moment , the name has a strong enough resonance in the North West that ITV (which, remember, is virtually a Granada takeover of Carlton anyway) won't see the point in changing right now. I wouldn't be surprised if they do eventually phase it out, when people are much more used to the ITV(1) identity for Channel 3 (which, as the main identity is only just over 2 years old). Perhaps in 5 or 10 years time. And, of course, ITV1 Granada (as a name) stands out much more than ITV1 North West in comparison to BBC1 North West.

And in reference to the tirade against me: I have merely suggested that a few times in this thread, people's response to ITV keeping the Granada name has been a bit strong - there are perfectly valid marketing resons for keeping it, just as there are perfectly obvious (to ITV plc) and muddy (to us) reasons why other regions' names have changed or not.
Within the context of the 'new' 'national' ITV1, these regional names are all but relics now anyway.


And for reference: Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have beliefs, virtues and feelings that one does not truly possess. from Wikipedia, which doesn't really apply to this situation, in my opinion.

You are confused between the stuff that comes out of the *network* production centres (which come under the Granada umbrella) and the non-news, non-network *regional* stuff (which comes under the ITV News Group umbrella) and carries the ITV <Region Name> -style endcaps.

Okay, then... maybe "double standards" would have been a better phrase than "hypocrisy"

But, double standards it definately is!

ITVplc policy: "Everything has to be stamped over with the "ITV/ITV1/ITVplc" (etc) name as soon as possible ... except for the word "Granada", which can be phased out much more slowly (if at all)."

If GMG (or anyone) wasn't such a majority % of ITVplc (70% versus Carlton's 30%), but was instead a much more even mix, you can guarantee that literally everything would be "ITV-ed" as soon as possible, with no special exception(s).

I don't have a "problem with" GMG/Granada specifically (neither the company nor the word). If, say, Carlton (or anyone) were the majority % of ITVplc, and were acting similarly, I would be just as bemused. It's the "we are all equal, but some of us are more equal than others" factor that I don't like!

Maybe double standards, but that's the way that seem to be playing it. Perhaps I'm just less attached to / bothered about ITv regional names because I spent half my life in the South West (in the Westward and TSW days) and half of it in 'Granadaland'.

And as I said (aside from Granada as a name for the production arm of ITV plc), these names are almost a relic now - the only 2 places Granada significantly turns up are:
in the name of the programme 'Granada Reports/News', which is such a long-running brand I'd be surprised if it changes in a hurry (and what would it be replaced with? 'North West Reports'?)
in production endcaps - and I can understand the decision to do this, because Granada is a fairly respected production company and, as someone else stated, it would be very odd to have a 'An ITV plc production for the BBC'

Off topic: what does (sic) mean. I have seen it quite a few times recently but don't know what it means

It means you're copying something exactly how it was typed or written originally. The 'sic' shows you recognise that it was incorrect in some way, but don't choose to correct it.

Oh I see, I have been reading alot of Private Eye lately & they have that in there alot under a section called Rotten Boroughs

Yes, and the "[sick]" was me passing comment on Martin's overly graphic sexploit stories.

And, to clarify, the actual letters stand for something like s pelling i n c orrect, (or s pelling i ntentionally c r*p, or something...)

No more odd than "a Granada production for the BBC", if you really think about it (especially from a northwestener's perspective, back in the days when "Granada" was the channel 3 station name).

Similarly, if Countdown ever becomes, say, "An ITV production for Channel 4" or something, I think that's no more odd-sounding than "A Yorkshire Television production for Channel 4" (especially from a York/Lincs/NWNorfolk (etc) person's perspective, back in the days when "Yorkshire" was the channel 3 station name).

Etc, etc. You get the general idea...