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ITV considering the idea (September 2004)

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marksi
And you lot think a "coming next" is the end of the world...

http://media.guardian.co.uk/advertising/story/0,7492,1316095,00.html

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ITV is asking European regulators to relax the rules on advertising products within television programmes as the broadcaster struggles with technology that allows viewers to skip commercial breaks.

The preliminary discussions are part of industry moves to cope with the expected impact on commercial broadcasting caused by personal video recorders (PVRs), which allow "ad skipping".

In the US, where 50m homes are expected to be using the new technology by the end of 2008, their introduction has resulted in increasing use of product placement. Some of the best known examples the use of Ford's vehicles in thriller series 24 and retailer Sears's presence in home makeover programmes. Some US series have been built around sponsors' products.

This type of sponsorship is illegal in the UK.

In addressing an industry conference yesterday, Charles Allen, chief executive of ITV, said: "We do think product placement has a part to play ... but it's something that will require regulatory change."

He stressed that the threat from PVRs was not "an immediate one". It would, however, take two to three years to persuade regulators of the need to relax the tight regulations regarding what products might be suitable for placement in programmes.

He added that product placement was just "one of a range of options".

Mr Allen suggested that a company logo appearing at the bottom of the screen throughout a popular soap opera was another option.

Such changes will be fiercely contested by some in the government as well as consumers in Britain. Industry figures said yesterday that the issue was being taken seriously by the entire industry.

Harry Evans Sloan, executive chairman of mainland Europe's SBS Broadcasting, said: "Our industry is absolutely going to have to solve the so called problem of ad skipping ... otherwise we will face a bleak picture."

Bob Iger, president of Walt Disney, called it one of the biggest challenges facing the industry.

US companies were already working on different types of programme sponsorship including product placement and product integration.

He admitted these were "far from a silver bullet to solve the problem that PVRs are going to create".

In wide-ranging comments Mr Iger also admitted that the company was looking at the possible sale of the BBC's commercial arm, Worldwide.

After the presentation he said: "I usually don't comment on potential acquisitions, but we are professional tyre kickers. We look at everything, especially if it's in our space or our competence."

In more jocund vein, he said: "We have also been asked why we didn't buy ITV as well ... we could just buy the UK and turn it into a theme park."
HC
Hatton Cross
marksi posted:
And you lot think a "coming next" is the end of the world...

http://media.guardian.co.uk/advertising/story/0,7492,1316095,00.html

Mr Allen suggested that a company logo appearing at the bottom of the screen throughout a popular soap opera was another option.


This already happens albeit in a limited form - check out Channel Fours coverage of cricket, and when they return from a 20 second break, the sponsors logo appears on the screen with the scorecard.

It happens more in France. If you watch the coverage of The Tour De France on France 2/3 then the tour sponsors logo appears for around a minute in the top central area of the screen.
This is what I think Charlie Allan may have in mind..
WT
The World Today
This happens a lot abroad, for example Turkish broadcasters such as 'Star', 'NTV' and 'ATV' all have company logos advertising their products during the show itself! For example during 'Emmerdale' the full screen picture could be zoomed back in a box and and a logo for Daz could appear with a slogan for about 20 seconds then the screen would zoom back out.

To be honest I think we have it easy in this country with regards to DOGs and other on screen graphics. With more and more people using Sky+ and systems like it we should get used to the idea of this thing happening. Of course it comes as no suprise at all that ITV the hell of UK television broadcasting came up with this plan first.

I'm afraid that sliding 'COMING UP' straps on screen are nothing compared to what WILL be happening in the not too distant future.
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marksi
Quote:
This already happens albeit in a limited form - check out Channel Fours coverage of cricket, and when they return from a 20 second break, the sponsors logo appears on the screen with the scorecard.

It happens more in France. If you watch the coverage of The Tour De France on France 2/3 then the tour sponsors logo appears for around a minute in the top central area of the screen.
This is what I think Charlie Allan may have in mind..


I think you're being over-charitable. Note the use of the word "throughout".
IS
Isonstine Founding member
I'm still shocked at the blatant propoganda put forward by ITV at the moment. "New PVRs allowing viewers to skip advert breaks" - we've had them for a while, I'm afraid...they're called video recorders.

PVRs are nowhere near into the mainstream yet that no-one watches a programme at the advertised time. In around 5 years time...then yes a lot of people would be recording programmes and perhaps not opting to watch programmes "live" as it were. But then...I think everyone is always going to sit down and watch a programme at the advertised time at some point.

And if it's such a drag then why are Sky promoting the advantage of a PVR under their own brand...when surely they're as much at risk as other commercial broadcasters?

Total clap trap...
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fanoftv
The only thing I can see using this type of sponsership logo on screen is with Sport.
They could of course go mad and add them to every show with a sponser.

Though Sponsership ads appear just before and after each part, so therefore when people tune into the programme they get the sponserships anyway!
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tvarksouthwest
It's understandable ITV being concerned about its revenue source, but they also have to understand that viewers do not want advertising forced upon them and if they resort to American-style methods, they could drive viewers away completely. If the audience isn't there, ITV won't be able to charge advertisers as much.

But there are a hardcore of viewers who simply don't want to be advertised to. The sooner broadcasters realise that the better. Forcing advertising on the audience (commercial or in-house) in a manner that the consumer cannot so easily "opt out" of could risk what little goodwill ITV has left.

It's bad enough we have sponsorship at all in this country. Yes we are getting off lightly compared to the Yanks (who lets face it live and breathe by the mighty dollar). In an ideal world, UK sponsorship would be limited to the appearance of a sponsor logo in the screen corner during titles and breaks, then phased out altogether.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
tvarksouthwest posted:
But there are a hardcore of viewers who simply don't want to be advertised to. The sooner broadcasters realise that the better. Forcing advertising on the audience (commercial or in-house) in a manner that the consumer cannot so easily "opt out" of could risk what little goodwill ITV has left.


No viewer wants, "to be advertised to". I'm perfectly sure all broadcasters realise this. It is a neccessary part of commercial television. If the advertiser thinks technology is removing their messages they will insist that something is done to address it.

Television channels do not operate on goodwill. They operate by having strong, popular programming which viewers tune in for, and advertisers cling to.
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Brekkie
Do many people still tape programmes (in one way or another - Sky+ etc) nowadays?

I - and most my family - use the video far less today than say five years ago. Alot of programming is repeated on channels such as ITV2, with an increasing amount repeated a few days later on ITV1 itself.
DA
Dan Founding member
Brekkie Boy posted:
Do many people still tape programmes (in one way or another - Sky+ etc) nowadays?


We've got a PVR and never watch anything 'live', although admittedly that's mainly due to not being in in the evening very often.

Once you've got used to being able to pause and rewind tv though, you don't want to go back. It's the future!
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Brekkie
Dan posted:
Brekkie Boy posted:
Do many people still tape programmes (in one way or another - Sky+ etc) nowadays?


We've got a PVR and never watch anything 'live', although admittedly that's mainly due to not being in in the evening very often.

Once you've got used to being able to pause and rewind tv though, you don't want to go back. It's the future!


I thought Garlic Bread was the future - or is that now the past!
DA
Dan Founding member
Brekkie Boy posted:
I thought Garlic Bread was the future - or is that now the past!


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