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Greg Dyke resigns as BBC Director General

(January 2004)

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RD
rdobbie
Glorfindel posted:
A tragedy for the BBC and for free speech in this country

Ah, the old "free speech" chestnut...

With the right to free speech comes responsibility. That responsibility is multiplied a thousandfold for a global news organisation like the BBC.

They broadcast an inaccurate report that contained unfounded allegations of the most serious kind. You might expect that from the gutter Press, but not the BBC. I think it's a shame that Dyke's had to go, but as the DG he has the ultimate responsibility for this catastrophic failure of journalistic standards.

Them's the breaks. Sometimes, it's *not* good to be the king.


You make some very valid points. But I think a bit of perspective is required: it was only one mistake - a single lapse in editorial control concerning one report on a radio programme, then later repeated on Newsnight. It wasn't spread across all BBC bulletins, and it didn't make the mainstream news.

When you make the comparison between the gutter press and the BBC, let's remember that the BBC weren't getting the dirt on a celebrity from their ex-lover, they were trying to bring our government to account for what millions of us thought, and still think, was an illegal war that took place for fictitious reasons.

It is frankly hysterical to see some of the papers suggesting that Hutton has left Blair smelling of roses. People ain't stupid, and the truth will out.
Last edited by rdobbie on 29 January 2004 5:13pm
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A former member
intheknow posted:
Marcus posted:
Glorfindel posted:
A tragedy for the BBC and for free speech in this country

Ah, the old "free speech" chestnut...

With the right to free speech comes responsibility. That responsibility is multiplied a thousandfold for a global news organisation like the BBC.

They broadcast an inaccurate report that contained unfounded allegations of the most serious kind. You might expect that from the gutter Press, but not the BBC. I think it's a shame that Dyke's had to go, but as the DG he has the ultimate responsibility for this catastrophic failure of journalistic standards.

Them's the breaks. Sometimes, it's *not* good to be the king.


They broadcast one live report which was wrong and which they apologised for. 99% of what was broadcast was accurate. How many newspapers could claim such a record.

The government lead us to war on a false claim and there are no such resignations.

They were cleared by a law lord appointed by the Prime Minister
Total cover UP. They must not be allowed to get away with this


The sad fact is that unless events take a very unexpected turn, Blair will win the next election. The only hope is that Gordon Brown unseats Blair sometime this year.


Well the BBC won't be able to put any constructive critisism - They will be in a very difficult position on the run up to the next election
MA
Marcus Founding member
Glorfindel posted:
They broadcast one live report which was wrong and which they apologised for. 99% of what was broadcast was accurate

Well, that's all right then - it doesn't matter that the 1% that was wrong represented a spectacular failure of journalistic practise unparallelled in the BBC's history, does it? Rolling Eyes

The government lead us to war on a false claim and there are no such resignations

Prove that the government knew it to be false, then.

They were cleared by a law lord appointed by the Prime Minister
Total cover UP. They must not be allowed to get away with this


Sheer sour grapes. The inquiry came to a conclusion that you don't like, so it's *obviously* a cover-up... Rolling Eyes


Do you really believe that every single person in Government acted entirely properly and that every single member of the BBC acted wrongly. That is what the report says. It's just not credible.

Blair wants a BBC which will not dare probe into the affairs of his government. Thatcher wanted the same. Politicians do not believe they should be held to account that is what all this is about. Don't forget that Alistair Campbell fired off emails every day complain about the BBC's reporting of the government. They want a FOX style press with Murdoch in charge. Anyone who values an independent free press should support the BBC now
Last edited by Marcus on 29 January 2004 5:14pm
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intheknow
Glorfindel posted:
The government lead us to war on a false claim and there are no such resignations

Prove that the government knew it to be false, then.


Who knows whether they knew it to be false, but the fact remains, no WMD in Iraq, former head of Iraq Survey Group says it is unlikely WMD will be found in Iraq, and Colin Powell says it is an open question whether they will be found.
MA
Marcus Founding member
rdobbie posted:
Glorfindel posted:
A tragedy for the BBC and for free speech in this country

Ah, the old "free speech" chestnut...

With the right to free speech comes responsibility. That responsibility is multiplied a thousandfold for a global news organisation like the BBC.

They broadcast an inaccurate report that contained unfounded allegations of the most serious kind. You might expect that from the gutter Press, but not the BBC. I think it's a shame that Dyke's had to go, but as the DG he has the ultimate responsibility for this catastrophic failure of journalistic standards.

Them's the breaks. Sometimes, it's *not* good to be the king.


You make some very valid points. But I think a bit of perspective is required: it was only one mistake - a single lapse in editorial control concerning one report on a radio programme, then later repeated on Newsnight. It wasn't spread across all BBC bulletins, and it didn't make the mainstream news.

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NO the Newsnight report was accepted as being correct.

The only error Giligam made was to say the goverment knew the dossier was wrong. Susan Watts just said the intellegence community thought it was wrong. The story was correct and it was vital it was reoprted.
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A former member
Time will tell but face it Blairs Totalitarian government have won over free speech

How old are you? Fourteen?

No, that's not fair, I know a fourteen-year-old who understands what "totalitarian" means and realises how you'd have to be enormously stupid to apply it in this case.

Mind you, you clearly don't know what "free speech" actually means, either.

FWIW, "free speech" *doesn't* mean you can say whatever you like, however libellous or slanderous, about anyone you like and expect to escape any consequences. You are legally responsible for what you say, and if you make an allegation that proves to be unfounded, then you deserve everything you get.
SI
simpfeld
Will the BBC walkout escalate ? Perhaps into a one day stike. I think if the BBC was totally shutdown for a day it would show the government that this was seriously unpopular. And that they've seriously miscalculated,
MA
marksi
This is not a time for rash decisions. However I make this prediction. This affair is by no means over. BBC staff, while accepting that mistakes were made, will not be trampled on by this Government, or ANY Government. If they were, they would not be deserving of the Licence Fee.
Last edited by marksi on 29 January 2004 5:20pm
RT
rts Founding member
Corridors of Stage 6 are packed. I could even here a found-of-applauce as Jane was speaking which lead me to believe Greg was nearby. People clearly dashing off to the left too to meet him.

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A former member
But I think a bit of perspective is required: it was only one mistake - a single lapse in editorial control concerning one report on a radio programme

The fact that it was "only one mistake" does not in any way detract from its seriousness... and if the BBC had overcome their arrogance, apologised properly and investigated the matter fully when originally asked to do so, we might not be in this situation now.
AS
Aston


I was standing just behind this camera and shook Gregs hand when he finally managed to get through the crowd.

There were at least 500 people showing support for Greg outside TVC many of us feel that Greg's resignation was unecassary as he's been such a fantastic boss and is very popular amongst staff...
Last edited by Aston on 29 January 2004 5:28pm
RT
rts Founding member
Genuinely vindicated or champion of a cover up, I will always hate this man.

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