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JV
James Vertigan Founding member
Not only that, but on BBC1 the test card appears to be subtitled - at least according to the ident that preceded it!


[beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep]


Not in this case Wink
JV
James Vertigan Founding member
Parts of NI certainly took Scotland as an RBS source, but I think it could work both ways.

On the shutting down point, I thought that putting out a signal with no syncs would cause a shutdown, and that was what the black level was (because if you tried a real picture with no syncs it would be rolling all over the place)?


It was absence of line syncs (but not field syncs) that caused a shut down for both BBC and IBA transmitters.


There's a video showing behind the scenes of the BBC TWO NI Digital Switchover -



At the switch Peter Johnston and Ruth Sloan pull out a couple of plugs. What would these have been? ISTR reading somewhere that "black and burst" and removing/inserting U-links was done at closedown/startup in order to wake transmitters up/send them to sleep in the pre-24 hour days, but are these the same things as seen being removed in the video?
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SP
Steve in Pudsey
Those plugs are the U links, possibly main and reserve feeds?
MA
Markymark
Those plugs are the U links, possibly main and reserve feeds?


Yes, almost certainly. If you watch the video of what went out off air, Belfast Pres faded to black, after saying
goodbye to analogue, at that point the U Links were pulled killing the feed to the analogue transmitters, but not the feeds for DTT or D-Sat, they carried on. So analogue viewers just saw a fade to black, and their screens remained black (albeit with no syncs etc). That would have also initiated the auto shut down of the transmitters, though of course that night they were manned with staff eagerly waiting to pull everything apart, so they were probably manually switched off (for ever) a minute or so later.

The last analogue transmission from Divis was actually C4, with Mary Peters switching off the transmitter on site (right in the middle of an episode of Homeland) No one seemed to notice that C5 from Black Mountain carried on for about 15 mins after that, officially making it the last ever UK analogue transmission.
CO
commseng
Those plugs are the U links, possibly main and reserve feeds?

I would imagine so.
Note that they were coloured red, unlike the others in the bay.
It was quite common for BBC 1 distribution U links to be red and BBC 2 distribution ones blue.
CO
commseng
I think this might help clear up the original question - 1985/6 vintage network routings

http://txlib.mb21.co.uk/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=4001

So firstly, it seems that English regions didn't do opt outs on BBC2 until late 1986 so until then the circuits only went to the "big" centres with switching centres (eg Birmingham, Manchester, Bristol plus the nations) not the "smaller" centres (I think they are called Island sites in BBC parlance?)

Page 12 shows how the network got from Manchester to BT Carlisle, from where there were seperate BBC2 circuits to Belfast, Glasgow, Pontop Pike and Caldbeck.

At BT Carlisle, there were switching facilities under the control of BBC Manchester shown on page 32. On the BBC2 side, there was the main distribution circuit from Manchester and a "new circuit" which could be fed to various destinations.

So, to get a feed from London to Glasgow via the distribution circuit, it seems that the arrangement would be:

Manchester put test card on BBC2 distribution to all destinations including Carlisle
Feed incoming network into the "new circuit" to Carlisle
Make sure Glasgow has opted out
Switch New circuit onto Glasgow circuit at Carlisle

Therefore the Test Card G appearing in Northern Ireland would have originated in Manchester.

Some other interesting points from the documents - in that era some of the regional centres were only connected to the transmitters at opt out times, so the circuits were available for contributions. Others, like Leeds, could be bypassed by BT so the feed from Manchester could be sent directly to the transmitters, freeing up the circuits, so presumably if there was material being fed to Leeds via the distribution circuits, that's how they would have done it.

That Network Routings book takes me back!
I was wrong about CP sitting on the main network feeds from LO SWC, it appears it was the other way around with the main feed going to BM, BS and ROW and CP getting the reserve normally.

That does solve the mystery of the Carlisle switcher, I wonder when the "New MR-CE" vision circuit appeared though.
If this was dated December 1986, note that there is no BT circuit number on the diagram (W12XXX), so presumably this only went into service after that time.

As for the point about the "island" sites such as Leeds, I'm not sure that is correct. BT bypassing anywhere would not be a clean switch. It could be as basic as pulling a U link out and sticking a patch cord in (rather than use a matrix, which itself could have faults). It would not be something done unless there was a fault condition on the BBC networks, but ITV worked very differently. Unless it was stated on these diagrams, I don't expect there to be a switch as such. (I am prepared to be proved wrong on that!)

Norwich on the other hand had to switch Tacolneston remotely to a different feed, as well as send Look East down the contribution circuit to Birmingham which passed through Morborne Hill and then BT Peterborough, where another remote switch was. It demonstrates how different the regions had to be with opting out with each area having quite a mix of BT feeds, RBL and BBC provided radio links and remote switches dotted around the place!
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MA
Markymark

As for the point about the "island" sites such as Leeds, I'm not sure that is correct. BT bypassing anywhere would not be a clean switch. It could be as basic as pulling a U link out and sticking a patch cord in (rather than use a matrix, which itself could have faults). It would not be something done unless there was a fault condition on the BBC networks,


It was done twice a day for a fortnight in summer 1980 here in BBC South land !

The 1980 Moscow Olympics displaced the regional news to BBC 2. Without fail
during the closing credits of whatever was on both channels leading up to 6pm
both BBC 1 and 2 would go to non sync (meaning Rowridge/Hannington would
go into their complex RBS arrangements), before all returning to normal again. The same
about an hour later. Pretty sure that was either the Beeb or the GPO repatching
BBC Southampton's opt out chain from NET 1 to 2, and back to 1 again.

Different times eh !?
SP
Steve in Pudsey
I wouldn't be surprised if the new MR-CE circuit appeared when the Carlisle self-op studio was set up to be able to provice opt outs on BBC1 Caldbeck.

As for the point about the "island" sites such as Leeds, I'm not sure that is correct. BT bypassing anywhere would not be a clean switch. It could be as basic as pulling a U link out and sticking a patch cord in (rather than use a matrix, which itself could have faults). It would not be something done unless there was a fault condition on the BBC networks, but ITV worked very differently. Unless it was stated on these diagrams, I don't expect there to be a switch as such. (I am prepared to be proved wrong on that!)


There is a note to that effect on the bottom of diagram TH9 (page 2Cool
Quote:
MLM and BMN can be fed from MR at Tinshill, releasing circuits between Leeds BC and Tinshill


(MLM=Emley Moor, BMN=Belmont, MR=Manchester, Tinshill is the BT site and BC is Broadcasting Centre)

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