JO
You'll note all the other broadcasters also obscure the clocks if they're showing highlights of matches where the scoreline is burnt into the picture, like the Europa League and World Cup qualifiers.
Of course one of the main reasons for that is the clock would keep going out of sync due to the way highlights are out together.
I'm sure ITV had done it on highlights before the Premiership, but of course that was less memorable.
It's amazing how far behind the BBC was in terms of not having a colour background, something you wouldn't dream of now. I remember ITV doing really creative things like the ITV/Time graphic part of the scorebar turning into the word 'GOAL' during the time when they had FA Cup rights in the late 90s, something similar to what the BBC started doing a decade later. It's also notable that during major chmpionships at around that time or maybe a bit later (2002?) they were doing team sheet graphics that used video of the players in the box similar to how players record stances for modern day team sheet graphics.
You'll note all the other broadcasters also obscure the clocks if they're showing highlights of matches where the scoreline is burnt into the picture, like the Europa League and World Cup qualifiers.
Of course one of the main reasons for that is the clock would keep going out of sync due to the way highlights are out together.
I'm sure ITV had done it on highlights before the Premiership, but of course that was less memorable.
It's amazing how far behind the BBC was in terms of not having a colour background, something you wouldn't dream of now. I remember ITV doing really creative things like the ITV/Time graphic part of the scorebar turning into the word 'GOAL' during the time when they had FA Cup rights in the late 90s, something similar to what the BBC started doing a decade later. It's also notable that during major chmpionships at around that time or maybe a bit later (2002?) they were doing team sheet graphics that used video of the players in the box similar to how players record stances for modern day team sheet graphics.
SW
Up until 2001, the BBC graphics were always much simpler than the other channels, minus any bells and whistles - especially with the 1999 revamp when they put everything in Gill Sans. That was the BBC style of the time. I wouldn't say they were "behind" or anything, it was just how they chose to do it. I thought it looked quite nice.
One thing ITV did in the FA Cup when they had the rights in 1997-2001 which I thought was quite good was that they'd go through the team sheet with a clip of each player in action, I remember Clive Tyldesley going through them a la "Sander Westerveld! Kept ten clean sheets this season! Sami Hyypia! The team's only ever-present!" and so on.
As I say, though, from the turn of the century the Beeb began experimenting a lot more. I think it's been said on here before but in Liverpool's run to the Uefa Cup Final in 2001, the Beeb more or less used a different graphical style in every round.
It's amazing how far behind the BBC was in terms of not having a colour background, something you wouldn't dream of now. I remember ITV doing really creative things like the ITV/Time graphic part of the scorebar turning into the word 'GOAL' during the time when they had FA Cup rights in the late 90s, something similar to what the BBC started doing a decade later. It's also notable that during major chmpionships at around that time or maybe a bit later (2002?) they were doing team sheet graphics that used video of the players in the box similar to how players record stances for modern day team sheet graphics.
Up until 2001, the BBC graphics were always much simpler than the other channels, minus any bells and whistles - especially with the 1999 revamp when they put everything in Gill Sans. That was the BBC style of the time. I wouldn't say they were "behind" or anything, it was just how they chose to do it. I thought it looked quite nice.
One thing ITV did in the FA Cup when they had the rights in 1997-2001 which I thought was quite good was that they'd go through the team sheet with a clip of each player in action, I remember Clive Tyldesley going through them a la "Sander Westerveld! Kept ten clean sheets this season! Sami Hyypia! The team's only ever-present!" and so on.
As I say, though, from the turn of the century the Beeb began experimenting a lot more. I think it's been said on here before but in Liverpool's run to the Uefa Cup Final in 2001, the Beeb more or less used a different graphical style in every round.
GE
I've known EVS operators to do their half-time and full-time analysis pieces from a digitally-zoomed version of a dirty feed (to crop out the clock) if no clean was available.
And worth a mention here: BT Sport putting the score at the bottom. It seems to have been standard for cricket for a while, but are they the first to do it for football and rugby?
thegeek
Founding member
You'll note all the other broadcasters also obscure the clocks if they're showing highlights of matches where the scoreline is burnt into the picture, like the Europa League and World Cup qualifiers.
I've known EVS operators to do their half-time and full-time analysis pieces from a digitally-zoomed version of a dirty feed (to crop out the clock) if no clean was available.
And worth a mention here: BT Sport putting the score at the bottom. It seems to have been standard for cricket for a while, but are they the first to do it for football and rugby?
HC
Didn't Sky try it for a couple of games a few years ago?
One of the reasons given that it went back top left, was people in pubs and bars couldn't see the score as it was on screen at head height if people were standing up.
One of the reasons given that it went back top left, was people in pubs and bars couldn't see the score as it was on screen at head height if people were standing up.
SW
Indeed they did, for the first few weeks of the 2007/08 season. Here it is, on another website...
http://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/0*sHER3Jygbozu1q5p.jpeg
Didn't Sky try it for a couple of games a few years ago?
Indeed they did, for the first few weeks of the 2007/08 season. Here it is, on another website...
http://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/0*sHER3Jygbozu1q5p.jpeg
RD
I've known EVS operators to do their half-time and full-time analysis pieces from a digitally-zoomed version of a dirty feed (to crop out the clock) if no clean was available.
And worth a mention here: BT Sport putting the score at the bottom. It seems to have been standard for cricket for a while, but are they the first to do it for football and rugby?
ESPN did it for rugby too. Indeed if we expanded beyond rugby union, Sky do it for rugby league (as does at least one Australian NRL broadcaster) and it's quite common in American football too, with CBS, NBC, and ESPN having their scorebar at the bottom (though Fox's is at the top).
ESPN UK's rugby graphics are worth a note. As I mention the scorebar was at the bottom, but lower thirds were effectively displayed by rearranging the scorebar - an interesting experiment. Furthermore their clock counted down from 40:00 to 0:00, which was quite odd.
rdd
Founding member
You'll note all the other broadcasters also obscure the clocks if they're showing highlights of matches where the scoreline is burnt into the picture, like the Europa League and World Cup qualifiers.
I've known EVS operators to do their half-time and full-time analysis pieces from a digitally-zoomed version of a dirty feed (to crop out the clock) if no clean was available.
And worth a mention here: BT Sport putting the score at the bottom. It seems to have been standard for cricket for a while, but are they the first to do it for football and rugby?
ESPN did it for rugby too. Indeed if we expanded beyond rugby union, Sky do it for rugby league (as does at least one Australian NRL broadcaster) and it's quite common in American football too, with CBS, NBC, and ESPN having their scorebar at the bottom (though Fox's is at the top).
ESPN UK's rugby graphics are worth a note. As I mention the scorebar was at the bottom, but lower thirds were effectively displayed by rearranging the scorebar - an interesting experiment. Furthermore their clock counted down from 40:00 to 0:00, which was quite odd.
DV
Tennis scorebars are almost always bottom left, the noteable exception being Wimbledon.
Not sure when they started becoming a permanant feature during a match. I remember in the past the score used to be flashed up bottom-centre when announced by the umpire, and then that would just be for that game.
Current scorebars show the number of games, and either number of sets or the scores from previous sets, and also denote the server.
Not sure when they started becoming a permanant feature during a match. I remember in the past the score used to be flashed up bottom-centre when announced by the umpire, and then that would just be for that game.
Current scorebars show the number of games, and either number of sets or the scores from previous sets, and also denote the server.
XI
It's actually baffling to me that they only added a ticker showing the current positions + gaps to the F1 coverage in the last few years. The American racing series have been doing it since the 90s! It was 2003 before we even got a lap counter (although digital had been doing it since 1997)!
NJ
F1 graphics have pretty much always been, save for the current and last set, a "relic" of a bygone era, which was kind of ironic in a sport that uses all kinds of weird and wonderful technology and yet they were stuck with these graphics for best part of ten years:
(from Mascoche.net)
http://www.mascoche.net/web/files/2011/06/formula1.jpg
(this is from one of the video games but you get the idea)
Neil Jones
Founding member
It's actually baffling to me that they only added a ticker showing the current positions + gaps to the F1 coverage in the last few years. The American racing series have been doing it since the 90s! It was 2003 before we even got a lap counter (although digital had been doing it since 1997)!
F1 graphics have pretty much always been, save for the current and last set, a "relic" of a bygone era, which was kind of ironic in a sport that uses all kinds of weird and wonderful technology and yet they were stuck with these graphics for best part of ten years:
(from Mascoche.net)
http://www.mascoche.net/web/files/2011/06/formula1.jpg
(this is from one of the video games but you get the idea)