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Part of 60 years of the television sitcom. (August 2016)

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DE
derek500
I think Red Dwarf had to deal with canned laughter complaints when it went filmic.


I don't think it helps that putting a film look on a sitcom somehow makes it feel more "fake", if you know what I mean. Might be part of the reason why I've seen a lot of people who think the laughter on Porridge was "canned" as well. A bit like when they insist on filmising live TV shows, which then stops them feeling as if they're live.


Porridge sounded like it was put on at a screening. The sets were too large for a studio with audience.

In the original, wasn't it only the cells that were in the studio with the live audience, the remainder being shot on location on 16mm film?
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Whataday Founding member
I put that down to one moment in the first episode, where the studio audience laughed over the top of a line. That one occasion became "you couldn't even hear the jokes for the laughter!!!"


I guess that's part of a problem if you're showing something to an audience after it's been recorded. If something like that happens when there's an audience there then the actors usually pause until the laughs over, or repeat the line.


I'm Alan Partridge WAS recorded in the presence of a live audience, just in a closed set so the audience watched the live footage on screens.

Incidentally, parts of the Fawlty Towers set were also out of view from the audience (all of upstairs and the kitchen), and John Cleese has said it was often hard to hear the audience laughter as the technology to pipe it in wasn't around.

The living room in One Foot In The Grave had a fourth wall that could be rolled in, even during a scene, allowing Victor to walk into the kitchen and leave the door open.


There were complaints about "canned laughter" because people assumed there was no audience due to the closed nature of the set.

Yep, but the odd thing was that people only seemed to notice it on the second series, which was broadcast after The Office and The Royle Family started


Interestingly the League of Gentlemen, which began not long after The Royle Family and before The Office, launched with a studio audience and laughter track, but this was dropped for the third and final series in 2002. By then it did seem like laughter in the background was going out of fashion.


The League of Gentlemen started as a theatre show though, so audience laughter suited it. It's only when the style of show changed for series 3 that they took it away.
JA
james-2001
It wasn't there on the 2000 Christmas special either. But again, that was in a vastly different style to series 1 &2 as well.
DA
davidhorman

In the original, wasn't it only the cells that were in the studio with the live audience, the remainder being shot on location on 16mm film?


Well, cells and other small sets, like offices, the doctor's surgery, the local hospital, or the toilets.

Might be easier to say that outdoor stuff and anything immediately outside the cells was shot on 16mm (I think the main prison interior set was built inside in a large disused water tank), and almost everything else was on video.
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toby lerone 2016
While everyone's focusing on the new Goodnight Sweetheart tomorrow, just a reminder that tonight is the first "lost sitcom", Till Death Us Do Part!


Watched this tonight and wished it had of stayed lost, nothing wrong with the acting as such but think it was of it's time and didn't translate well to 2016. I hope Hancock's Half Hour and Steptoe & Son are better.
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james-2001
An interesting aside is that last night's Till Death Us Do Part had the "Randy Scouse Git" line, which means the original version of the episode must be the one that Mickey Dolenz saw and wrote a Monkees song with that title!
DA
davidhorman

Watched this tonight and wished it had of stayed lost, nothing wrong with the acting as such but think it was of it's time and didn't translate well to 2016. I hope Hancock's Half Hour and Steptoe & Son are better.


Just because it might not raise the laughs it might have done back in the day, doesn't mean it isn't worth preserving/performing. Moreso, perhaps, because it is so much of its day, in a way that Hancock and Steptoe aren't (bar the occasional joke about powercuts or petrol rationing). It's a reflection of a very particular time and set of attitudes.

That said, one man's angry quest for fish and chips wasn't quite what I was expecting from TDUDP. Was it one of the "odd" episodes?
CU
Custard56
Did Goodnight Sweetheart always look so cheap? Those opening titles were horrible.
JA
james-2001
No film effect on it at least thankfully!

And I'm guessing if it gets commissioned for a full series then part of the plot will be keeping the time travelling from Gary's daughter.

Quite impressed with it overall hope it gets a full series!

Funnily enough earlier today when I was setting up my new satellite box for my motirised dish, I came across Forces TV as they were running a trailer for their repeats, and they referred to it as the "original series"- obviously taking this new episode into account!
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MD
mdtauk
Just started watching Young Hyacinth, the actress really has the mannerisms and voice down well!
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Whataday Founding member
Did Goodnight Sweetheart always look so cheap? Those opening titles were horrible.


It was a pastiche of 1960s style which was quite brash and tacky.

I thought it was brilliant, and having watched the last series this week on DVD, it really felt like it hadn't dropped a beat between the final episode and this one. It's getting high praise on Twitter too.
JA
james-2001
I guess, as many people have said, it has the original writers and cast on board, and is a direct continuation, so that's something it has going for it that the other three don't have.

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