SP
Well into the "Carlton" era (I lived in the midlands at the time), I still heard people say things like "Did you see that programme on Central last night?" or whatever. I would gladly sign the death warrant of such people.
Words fail me.
Well into the "Carlton" era (I lived in the midlands at the time), I still heard people say things like "Did you see that programme on Central last night?" or whatever. I would gladly sign the death warrant of such people.
Words fail me.
NJ
HTV had their "hybrid" idents in July 2001 - Central and Westcountry were rebranded September 1999.
Bit harsh and possibly uncalled for...
Neil Jones
Founding member
Weren't the midlands and southwest only branded as "Carlton" for about 3 years or so anyway? So, imagine how short-lived it would've been in HTV-land, before the grinning ITV1 celebrities arrived.
HTV had their "hybrid" idents in July 2001 - Central and Westcountry were rebranded September 1999.
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I would gladly sign the death warrant of such people.
Bit harsh and possibly uncalled for...
BA
Databurst being the name Central coined for broadcasters flashing up a load of text pages in sequence very quickly, with the intention of anyone recording it being able to view each page using the pause option on their VCR.
Indeed, though I had no idea they'd trademarked it.
Other searching has revealed to me that Central owned the trademarks "Databurst" and "Data Burst".
Databurst being the name Central coined for broadcasters flashing up a load of text pages in sequence very quickly, with the intention of anyone recording it being able to view each page using the pause option on their VCR.
Indeed, though I had no idea they'd trademarked it.
HC
Well into the "Carlton" era (I lived in the midlands at the time), I still heard people say things like "Did you see that programme on Central last night?" or whatever. I would gladly sign the death warrant of such people.
I'll be the seconded signature then. Lets get rid of these idiots. TV station have these rebrands for a reason, to put a new name and a new image (or just enforce the new owners corporate name) on the screen. The very least a viewer can do is adapt as well. I still hear ITV mentioned in this neck of the woods as 'Central' or much worse, 'ATV'
My parents had some friends who live in Southampton.
As long ago as 2004, they were still referring to their local ITV station by asking "if you watched that programme on Southern last week".
So, the TVS colourburst logo, strident fanfare, and Coast to Coast to them, must have been a daily dream and never really existed...
Well into the "Carlton" era (I lived in the midlands at the time), I still heard people say things like "Did you see that programme on Central last night?" or whatever. I would gladly sign the death warrant of such people.
I'll be the seconded signature then. Lets get rid of these idiots. TV station have these rebrands for a reason, to put a new name and a new image (or just enforce the new owners corporate name) on the screen. The very least a viewer can do is adapt as well. I still hear ITV mentioned in this neck of the woods as 'Central' or much worse, 'ATV'
My parents had some friends who live in Southampton.
As long ago as 2004, they were still referring to their local ITV station by asking "if you watched that programme on Southern last week".
So, the TVS colourburst logo, strident fanfare, and Coast to Coast to them, must have been a daily dream and never really existed...
NT
Thinking of logos rather than idents, the Co-op reviving its 1968 clover leaf (http://www.itsnicethat.com/news/co-op-rebrands-to-old-logo-230516) made me think it's about durability and versatility too, elements you'll see in the NatWest logo (1970) and British Rail double arrow (1965).
Not many examples of this in British TV - apart from the BBC's (1963?) lozenges (would love to know how they came about) which survive in a heavily-modified form, and ITN's logo, which I guess must date back from the introduction of colour in late 1969 as the old insignia was being used for the moon landings.
Of the rest, which static logos would still look alright in 2016? Not many. From the early companies, perhaps the Rediffusion adastral and ABC triangle. After that, probably the Yorkshire chevron (although I always thought it was a "V") too. All three would look brilliant on bags, vehicles, signs. I'm not sure if anything that followed can beat them.
The Carlton wordmark and Meridian sun were effective and could have lasted on screen. The later Thames triangle might have survived, although it'd probably collapse under the weight of new skyscrapers.
ATV's dual eyes would probably have been hauled back into life for some retro charm; maybe the same would apply to the Granada G (as a southerner, it always looked odd seeing that logo on TVs, in shops, and on motorways). Meanwhile, the 1970 LWT logo seems to have had a second life as Britain Stronger in Europe's insignia...
http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/themes/560ab404ebad640744000001/attachments/original/1444609021/logo_mark.png?1444609021
Not many examples of this in British TV - apart from the BBC's (1963?) lozenges (would love to know how they came about) which survive in a heavily-modified form, and ITN's logo, which I guess must date back from the introduction of colour in late 1969 as the old insignia was being used for the moon landings.
Of the rest, which static logos would still look alright in 2016? Not many. From the early companies, perhaps the Rediffusion adastral and ABC triangle. After that, probably the Yorkshire chevron (although I always thought it was a "V") too. All three would look brilliant on bags, vehicles, signs. I'm not sure if anything that followed can beat them.
The Carlton wordmark and Meridian sun were effective and could have lasted on screen. The later Thames triangle might have survived, although it'd probably collapse under the weight of new skyscrapers.
ATV's dual eyes would probably have been hauled back into life for some retro charm; maybe the same would apply to the Granada G (as a southerner, it always looked odd seeing that logo on TVs, in shops, and on motorways). Meanwhile, the 1970 LWT logo seems to have had a second life as Britain Stronger in Europe's insignia...
http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/themes/560ab404ebad640744000001/attachments/original/1444609021/logo_mark.png?1444609021
MI
The British Rail double arrow was kept for convenience and cost as much as anything else as it was plastered all over the UK on totems, tickets and road signs and public recognition meant it had became "the" symbol for the railway in the UK. Plus as it was a government owned trademark it could be used cheaply for national rail enquiries without any real need for an expensively commissioned redesign or revamp. It didn't really have any commercial or affectionate value given the era in which it was ubiquitous coincided with some of the worst times on Britain's railways in history.
NT
That's the point, though - it was designed to be versatile. It was meant to look as good on a box of matches as it was on a train. At the risk of veering off topic, take a look at the design manual: http://www.doublearrow.co.uk/ Personally speaking, the Co-op clover leaf makes me think of skanky old 1980s shops - but the logo has endured in the memory and has since been revived because it is so versatile.
I'd argue that the ABC triangle was designed to look as good on OB vans, letterheads and souvenirs as it was on screen. You can't say that about many other UK TV logos.
The British Rail double arrow was kept for convenience and cost as much as anything else as it was plastered all over the UK on totems, tickets and road signs
That's the point, though - it was designed to be versatile. It was meant to look as good on a box of matches as it was on a train. At the risk of veering off topic, take a look at the design manual: http://www.doublearrow.co.uk/ Personally speaking, the Co-op clover leaf makes me think of skanky old 1980s shops - but the logo has endured in the memory and has since been revived because it is so versatile.
I'd argue that the ABC triangle was designed to look as good on OB vans, letterheads and souvenirs as it was on screen. You can't say that about many other UK TV logos.
LS
Lou Scannon
Well into the "Carlton" era (I lived in the midlands at the time), I still heard people say things like "Did you see that programme on Central last night?" or whatever. I would gladly sign the death warrant of such people.
Words fail me.
Well, clearly they don't... because you've actually typed three words there!
Either I'm a murderous psychopath who really would literally advocate the execution of people who frustrate me, or I was venting my frustration in a dark-humoured and non-literal manner.
Clearly, not everyone is capable of recognising and/or comprehending the latter. Or choose not to, so that they get to be outraged about something.
LL
I'm surprised that frustrates you. If you were referring to people who say stuff like "did you watch Top Gear on channel 2" then I'd help you with the signatures.