Was surfing the net with a co-worker yesterday morning reading forum posts about the video... some people were demanding the U.S. "blow the $#!% the Iraqi's with nukes"... Like really! Is that going to solve the whole Iraq problem?
I am one of those people stupid enough to download it, and the actual process of cutting Nick Berg's head off wasn't quick, and the murderer was hacking away for sometime before the head becomes detached and it is shown close up to the camera. You see the point as he is hacking away with the knife, Berg dies and goes limp. It is truly horric, and if you are thinking about downloading it for curiosity purposes, don’t do it.
Well, I watched the video as well, but I did not have any feeling towards it. I hate muslims and those who hate America , but when I watched it, I did not experienced any sadness or anger or horror. I was impressed because I knew these people will do such thinks for their "god". Again, it wasn't that horrible as I expected, I even brought me some pop corn. The only thing that has change my mind is that those who killed the guy deserve to die as well. Other than that, I have seen and experienced myself horrible things, so I guess I have become heartless which is a good thing in this rotten world.
How can you condemn all Muslims. 99.9% of Muslims would be revolted by this Murder.
More worryingly how the hell can you be impressed by what these barbarians have done. You seam to admire blind faith and fanaticism, two of the biggest evils in the world today.
No doubt you were a big fan of the Crusades and the Inquisition.
And anyone who choses to watch such a barbaric video with a bag of Popcorn is sick.
It was true life you know. Not a holly wood special effect.
That's like saying you hate all Catholics for the many atrocities that were caused by the IRA. And as for you settling
down with popcorn, to watch that barbaric video clip, then IMHO that makes you as bad as them. You are sick.
Could one of the moderators please remove the link to that nasty video clip. I've not seen it myself, and quite
frankly, I'd really rather not. I dread to think of the implications for TVForum, if a child came along to this
site, clicked on that link, and saw the full gruesome horror of what took place . . .
Whilst not wishing to detract from the horror of the video (which I won't watch because I'm squeamish as hell), a number of alternative news sites are saying that there are inconsistencies in the video.
Now, I don't agree or disagree with these claims, never having watched the video. But I was wondering if those of you who have will pass comment on the following (taken from whatreallyhappened.com).
(Warning: Parts of the following discussion contain rather sickening references.)
Arab linguists have said the man posing as the Jordanian Zaraqawi did not speak with a Jordanian dialect. Others have suggested the man reading the written statement may not have been a native speaker of Arabic.
Zaraqawi was missing one leg and had been outfitted with an artificial leg that did not fit or function properly. He was unable to walk or stand normally with his ill-fitting limb. No man in the group showed evidence of such an infirmity.
Numerous indigenous sources have said Zaraqawi was killed by a US helicopter attack months ago when he was unable to move quickly enough to escape the targeted house. While others managed to exit the house in time to survive, he died in the collapsed building.
As any surgeon will testify, the alleged beheading was a fake. A beheading would result in a tremendous amount of spurting blood. There would have been blood everywhere had an actual beheading taken place. When the executioner holds up Berg's head immediately following what is represented as an actual decapitation of a living person, there is no significant blood flow from the neck or blood splatters showing anywhere on the executioner. Furthermore, the cut was simply too neat to have been done crudely and with such amazing speed by a man wielding a knife. Anybody who has ever carved a turkey knows there is something wrong with the supposed beheading. The suspended head looks more like Berg had been neatly beheaded by a guillotine.
The orange jumpsuit was standard US military issue to men in custody. It is unlikely Berg would have continuing wearing a US custodial uniform if he had been released by the military as they claim. The fact he was still wearing the suit is both anomalous and suggestive. One is forced to speculate as to whether there was an immediate transfer of Berg from the US military to unknown persons, thusly preventing Berg from discarding his US prison garb.
Several of the men in the film were fat by Iraqi standards. If they were Feyadeen or mujahadeen, they probably have been living underground since the first days of the occupation. Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been shown on news stories as they have marched and demonstrated. One would be hard pressed to point out a single fat man among these thousands.
Some men had what can only be described as pasty-white hands. Once again, one would be hard pressed to find Arab men with pasty-white hands.
The lack of spurting blood suggests Berg was already dead at the time of the alleged decapitation. It is possible Berg's dead body was displayed with his head already partially or totally severed. In any case, he almost certainly was killed before the staged beheading. If so, it suggests the captors had no stomach for an actual beheading of a living person, and they opted to fulfill their assignment quietly and with the least amount of gore.
The scream that is heard has been interpreted as a woman's scream by many viewers. Videotape cognoscenti have further said the scream was amateurishly added to the tape.
The U.S. government translation of one statement made on the film is: "Does al Qaeda need any further excuses?" This is a falsification. The actual statement urged fellow insurgents to get off their hind ends and do something. One assumes the translator being used by the US military is a native speaker of Arabic, so this cannot be explained as an innocent flub. This suggests the US government wanted to inject an alleged al- Qaeda group into the murder of Nick Berg.
Iraqis who have seen the videotape on Arabic news broadcasts are universally saying the men in the film are not Iraqis. Are they saying this partly because the speaker does not employ an Iraqi dialect? Where does their certainty come from?
Firearms experts have stated the AK-47 carried by one man was a "Gilal." This actually is an Israeli-made weapon that improves on the famous AK- 47. Feyadeen and other insurgents almost universally use AK-47s.
The man in the videotape who is purported to be Zarqawi is wearing a gold ring. This is absolutely proscribed by Islamic law.
The US military has stated that Berg was never in US custody and that he had been in custody of the Iraqi police. The Iraqi police adamantly deny he was ever in their custody. On April 1, an e-mail from Beth A. Payne, the U.S. consular officer in Iraq, was sent to the family of Nick Berg. It stated that Ms. Payne had located Nick, and he was currently in custody of the US military. We have to conclude that either the email was bogus or the US military has been lying.
The chair that Berg was seated in during the filming was a standard issue military chair of the exact same kind as seen in a color photo taken at the Abu Ghraib Prison. The chances a terrorist cell would be using this same chair are minimal at best.
I agree that the link should be removed, please. I appreciate the offer of help by adding it, but I suspect that many people might be like me and don't want to watch it really. Having the link there slightly enhances any curiosity one might have. If people really want to watch it they should seek it out from other sources. How come you can't put a link to porn but you can put a link to this?
I remember a couple of years ago downloading quite innocently the video of American politician R. Budd Dwyer's suicide at a press conference in 1987. That video shocked and repulsed me. At least RBD died instantly from a single gunshot through his mouth.
Actually, I don't think he did died instantly. ISTR reading that he died about 30 mins later.
I remember a couple of years ago downloading quite innocently the video of American politician R. Budd Dwyer's suicide at a press conference in 1987. That video shocked and repulsed me. At least RBD died instantly from a single gunshot through his mouth.
Actually, I don't think he did died instantly. ISTR reading that he died about 30 mins later.
Brain and sinus matter was splattered all over the wall behind him. I think it's a pretty safe bet to say that he did in fact die instantly.
I remember a couple of years ago downloading quite innocently the video of American politician R. Budd Dwyer's suicide at a press conference in 1987. That video shocked and repulsed me. At least RBD died instantly from a single gunshot through his mouth.
Actually, I don't think he did died instantly. ISTR reading that he died about 30 mins later.
Brain and sinus matter was splattered all over the wall behind him. I think it's a pretty safe bet to say that he did in fact die instantly.
President Kennedy's brains were splattered all over his wife's coat (as you can see when she's standing next to LBJ as he swears the Presidential Oath) but he survived until he died on the operating table later.
