JA
Some did. On ours they offered ITV Yorkshire from belmont as an alternative-but only on the RF passthrough, not through the STB.
DV
Yes Diamond/NTL in Nottingham offered Yorkshire as an alternative to Central for its customers in Lincoln. Only BBC East Midlands on analogue. I wasn't a TV customer of theirs at the time but I was splitting the analogue TV and FM radio signal (which carried Trent FM) from their broadband back in 2003. I seem to remember Bloomberg was available in the clear on VHF.
On digital there was the choice of Central (east) Yorkshire (east) and London (for audio description), as well as a choice of BBC Ones - possibly the same three plus the nations but my memory is hazy.
Going back into the 90s I can remember the Express and Star (Wolverhampton) printing listings for Granada as well as Central, presumably some people in the northern fringes or hilly parts of their distribution patch were able to receive both.
Some did. On ours they offered ITV Yorkshire from belmont as an alternative-but only on the RF passthrough, not through the STB.
Yes Diamond/NTL in Nottingham offered Yorkshire as an alternative to Central for its customers in Lincoln. Only BBC East Midlands on analogue. I wasn't a TV customer of theirs at the time but I was splitting the analogue TV and FM radio signal (which carried Trent FM) from their broadband back in 2003. I seem to remember Bloomberg was available in the clear on VHF.
On digital there was the choice of Central (east) Yorkshire (east) and London (for audio description), as well as a choice of BBC Ones - possibly the same three plus the nations but my memory is hazy.
Going back into the 90s I can remember the Express and Star (Wolverhampton) printing listings for Granada as well as Central, presumably some people in the northern fringes or hilly parts of their distribution patch were able to receive both.
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JA
It was Diamond Cable, but it's Mansfield, not Lincoln.
And we're probably one of the most confusing places in the country in terms of what transmitters we recieve, vs which region actually covers our local news. Local news usually ending up on East Midlands Today/Central East, which very few of us can actually recieve terrestrially (we got Look North & Calendar from Emley instead- though much of the town gets Belmont instead.)- very frustrating in the pre-cable/Dsat days. I think we were practically the only people in our school who saw a news report on us back in 1999 as we had cable by then.
And we're probably one of the most confusing places in the country in terms of what transmitters we recieve, vs which region actually covers our local news. Local news usually ending up on East Midlands Today/Central East, which very few of us can actually recieve terrestrially (we got Look North & Calendar from Emley instead- though much of the town gets Belmont instead.)- very frustrating in the pre-cable/Dsat days. I think we were practically the only people in our school who saw a news report on us back in 1999 as we had cable by then.
DV
Well you might've been in Mansfield but I was in Lincoln! Same situation for both places.
It was Diamond Cable, but it's Mansfield, not Lincoln.
Well you might've been in Mansfield but I was in Lincoln! Same situation for both places.
JA
I always feel maybe we should have had a relay to carry the east midlands regions, but there probably wasn't space on the spectrum seeing as not only could we get Belmont and Emley, but we got fuzzy pictures from Crosspool and Bilsdale too, in addition to the few parts of the town that could get Waltham.
I imagine combined with the lack of spectrum, along with the fact we got decent signals, even though they were from the "wrong" regions, means they wouldn't have seen any need for a relay, but it would have helped us getting our proper regional news (and advertising) over the years.
I imagine combined with the lack of spectrum, along with the fact we got decent signals, even though they were from the "wrong" regions, means they wouldn't have seen any need for a relay, but it would have helped us getting our proper regional news (and advertising) over the years.
MA
You might have ended up with a relay, if C5 and then DTT hadn't come along. The last analogue relay to open in the UK was Portbury near Bristol in August 2000. The area was well served by Wenvoe, but of course that meant Welsh programming and S4C, so the relay was built to provide English channels.
I always feel maybe we should have had a relay to carry the east midlands regions, but there probably wasn't space on the spectrum seeing as not only could we get Belmont and Emley, but we got fuzzy pictures from Crosspool and Bilsdale too, in addition to the few parts of the town that could get Waltham.
I imagine combined with the lack of spectrum, along with the fact we got decent signals, even though they were from the "wrong" regions, means they wouldn't have seen any need for a relay, but it would have helped us getting our proper regional news (and advertising) over the years.
I imagine combined with the lack of spectrum, along with the fact we got decent signals, even though they were from the "wrong" regions, means they wouldn't have seen any need for a relay, but it would have helped us getting our proper regional news (and advertising) over the years.
You might have ended up with a relay, if C5 and then DTT hadn't come along. The last analogue relay to open in the UK was Portbury near Bristol in August 2000. The area was well served by Wenvoe, but of course that meant Welsh programming and S4C, so the relay was built to provide English channels.
NL
It could have been done:
https://www.transdiffusion.org/2001/08/01/affiliations
I always feel maybe we should have had a relay to carry the east midlands regions, but there probably wasn't space on the spectrum seeing as not only could we get Belmont and Emley, but we got fuzzy pictures from Crosspool and Bilsdale too, in addition to the few parts of the town that could get Waltham.
I imagine combined with the lack of spectrum, along with the fact we got decent signals, even though they were from the "wrong" regions, means they wouldn't have seen any need for a relay, but it would have helped us getting our proper regional news (and advertising) over the years.
I imagine combined with the lack of spectrum, along with the fact we got decent signals, even though they were from the "wrong" regions, means they wouldn't have seen any need for a relay, but it would have helped us getting our proper regional news (and advertising) over the years.
It could have been done:
https://www.transdiffusion.org/2001/08/01/affiliations
MA
It could have been done:
https://www.transdiffusion.org/2001/08/01/affiliations
That grossly over simplifies UHF frequency planning. The origins of which for the whole of Europe go back to a conference in Stockholm in 1961, and the PSB allocations at most transmitters today, still adhere to broadly that plan.
The UK was an irritating oddball at that conference (see, nothing changes) in wanting four UHF services from each of our transmitters. The geographical locations of our present main UHF transmitting sites were also defined at that conference. Most other countries only required two or three national services at UHF, because of course they were already using VHF for 625 line TV. To have acquired five allocations at some sites, particularly on the east side of the England would have required a lot of effort, it took ages for the BBC to get two more allocations at Caldbeck/Sandale for BBC 1 and 2 Scotland, and even longer for the IBA to get an allocation for Border Scotland there, and the BBC 2 and ITV Border allocations were at low power (The ITV allocation was co-channel with UTV from Divis, so in planning terms a self interferer). Don't assume analogue signals don't influence other services hundreds of miles away. Norway's NRK complained to the IBA when C4 test transmissions started from Emley Moor !
I always feel maybe we should have had a relay to carry the east midlands regions, but there probably wasn't space on the spectrum seeing as not only could we get Belmont and Emley, but we got fuzzy pictures from Crosspool and Bilsdale too, in addition to the few parts of the town that could get Waltham.
I imagine combined with the lack of spectrum, along with the fact we got decent signals, even though they were from the "wrong" regions, means they wouldn't have seen any need for a relay, but it would have helped us getting our proper regional news (and advertising) over the years.
I imagine combined with the lack of spectrum, along with the fact we got decent signals, even though they were from the "wrong" regions, means they wouldn't have seen any need for a relay, but it would have helped us getting our proper regional news (and advertising) over the years.
It could have been done:
https://www.transdiffusion.org/2001/08/01/affiliations
That grossly over simplifies UHF frequency planning. The origins of which for the whole of Europe go back to a conference in Stockholm in 1961, and the PSB allocations at most transmitters today, still adhere to broadly that plan.
The UK was an irritating oddball at that conference (see, nothing changes) in wanting four UHF services from each of our transmitters. The geographical locations of our present main UHF transmitting sites were also defined at that conference. Most other countries only required two or three national services at UHF, because of course they were already using VHF for 625 line TV. To have acquired five allocations at some sites, particularly on the east side of the England would have required a lot of effort, it took ages for the BBC to get two more allocations at Caldbeck/Sandale for BBC 1 and 2 Scotland, and even longer for the IBA to get an allocation for Border Scotland there, and the BBC 2 and ITV Border allocations were at low power (The ITV allocation was co-channel with UTV from Divis, so in planning terms a self interferer). Don't assume analogue signals don't influence other services hundreds of miles away. Norway's NRK complained to the IBA when C4 test transmissions started from Emley Moor !