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Coverage Details (December 2013)

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IS
Inspector Sands
Quick question, I'm a little confused at the satellite delays between the various locations and the Olympic Park.

I would have thought that all the feeds were coming from other locations to the Olympic Park. But whenever presenters based at the Olympic Park ask a question to commentators at another location, as well as the answer being delayed from the remote site, the response from the presenter at the Park is also delayed.

This would suggest that all the feeds are being coordinated at a central area, something some distance away as to induce a delay in both directions.

Any ideas?

I don't know what they're happening (and I haven't watched enough to see it) but the delay almost certainly won't be caused by satellites.
IS
Inspector Sands
Well that's quite annoying - they interrupt a curling match and wind up the 'programme'. Then a junction into another 'programme' which is just continuing coverage of the same match. The only difference being that it's Claire Balding presenting.

If the marketing department are so desperate for a junction why not just show a couple of trails between events?
EL
elmarko
Quick question, I'm a little confused at the satellite delays between the various locations and the Olympic Park.

I would have thought that all the feeds were coming from other locations to the Olympic Park. But whenever presenters based at the Olympic Park ask a question to commentators at another location, as well as the answer being delayed from the remote site, the response from the presenter at the Park is also delayed.

This would suggest that all the feeds are being coordinated at a central area, something some distance away as to induce a delay in both directions.

Any ideas?

I don't know what they're happening (and I haven't watched enough to see it) but the delay almost certainly won't be caused by satellites.

Haha, you're absolutely right and as an A/V professional I should know that. Obviously there's all sorts of coders and decoders working away, and those can induce tons of delay.

At this point, people should assume "satellite delay" is slang for "any type of delay" Smile
DV
DVB Cornwall
The reason has been revealed, The signal is negotiating the Borscht, Okroshka and other goodies in the #sochitrolley
NG
noggin Founding member
Quick question, I'm a little confused at the satellite delays between the various locations and the Olympic Park.

I would have thought that all the feeds were coming from other locations to the Olympic Park. But whenever presenters based at the Olympic Park ask a question to commentators at another location, as well as the answer being delayed from the remote site, the response from the presenter at the Park is also delayed.

This would suggest that all the feeds are being coordinated at a central area, something some distance away as to induce a delay in both directions.

Any ideas?

I don't know what they're happening (and I haven't watched enough to see it) but the delay almost certainly won't be caused by satellites.


Like Turin and Vancouver/Whistler it's almost certainly being co-ordinated in the UK rather than on-site in Sochi. (Unlike the Summer Olympics where everything is on-site, the Winters are usually run remotely from galleries in the UK).

So Claire's camera will be a unilateral feed from Sochi to Salford (sound and vision). Claire's earpiece sound (mix of talkback and feeds from other presenters/commentators) will be from Salford. Similarly the commentators in Sochi will be listening to talkback (and Claire's audio if she needs to talk to them) from and via Salford. The host broadcast feed of the event is likely to come back as a multilateral feed (in days gone by this was handled by the EBU - and they may still have the contract). The commentators may have their own camera (as they did at the curling) which will come back as a uni. Similarly most non-host replays, highlights pull-togethers, packages will be played in from Salford, and most (if not all) BBC Sport graphics will be added in Salford.

Multilateral or Multi = Feed taken by many broadcasters - usually a host broadcast feed.
Unilateral or Uni = Feed taken by a single broadcasters - usually a presenter camera, or a feed for interviewing guests remotely.

If the links between Salford and Sochi are satellite you'll get a delay, and even with Long GOP compression on fibre you may get some. Turin was uncompressed SD fibre from Italy to the UK ISTR - so very low delay (and the studio was a bit bigger and the cameras were vision mixed between on-site) So whilst all the feeds may be available and coming through the Olympic park, they only get to hear each other when they are linked in Salford. If not they'd have to have a lot more happening on-site (which costs money for travel and accommodation and also requires temporary galleries to be built - whereas they can use existing facilities in Salford this way)

(Turin was an odd case. The BBC weren't HD, but the host broadcast multilaterals were 4:3 in SD, and only 16:9 in HD. So the BBC and the Aussie rights holders - who wanted 16:9 SD - and I think one or two others - created Munis = which were unilateral multilaterals. They were 16:9 HD to SD downconversion of the events chosen to be covered by participating broadcasters. Not every event was available 16:9 SD as a result - and there were a couple of events not covered in HD which remained 4:3 - but an interesting footnote)
bilky asko and David gave kudos
EL
elmarko
That was wonderful, thanks for the write up. Very interesting detail on Turin too.

And yep, if it's all going through Salford, then there's your extra delay. That's what I imagined.
IS
Inspector Sands

If the links between Salford and Sochi are satellite you'll get a delay, and even with Long GOP compression on fibre you may get some.

They're fibre via the EBU, with a satellite backup just in case
SP
Steve in Pudsey
Interesting piece on how NBC have gone about setting up for their coverage http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/winter-olympics-how-nbcuniversals-army-of-techs-conquered-sochi-1201086684/

Something that is perhaps surprising given what Noggin said about everything being put together in Salford is that it seems that some of the commentators are working off tube - presumably from the IBC rather than being in the venue itself. (Source: Ice Hockey commentator Seth Bennett on Twitter, @sethb45). I wonder whether some commentaries are actually being added from Salford rather than the commentary team being out in Sochi?
EL
elmarko
Cheaper and easier to produce in Salford, then? That's the obvious reason I would guess.

The beeb did that with the us election I seem to remember. Sent cameras back to uk for mixing
MO
Mouseboy33
If any are interested here is one of 2 sets being used by NBC in Sochi at the IBC. These are primarily used for the Primetime Coverage with long-time sports journalist Bob Costas
http://www.newscaststudio.com//wp-content/gallery/nbc-sochi-studios_1/sochi_nbc_25.jpg?i=1157524985
http://www.newscaststudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/sochi_nbc_18.jpg
http://www.newscaststudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/sochi_nbc_06.jpg
http://www.newscaststudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/sochi_nbc_09.jpg
http://www.newscaststudio.com//wp-content/gallery/nbc-sochi-studios_1/sochi_nbc_17.jpg
http://www.newscaststudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2014.Sochi_.Olympics.21.jpg
You can see on this floorplan, NBC hires a huge space for their studios.
http://www.newscaststudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/olympicmap.png

NBC is also utilizing its Sports Base in CT to facilitate a portion of some broadcasts such as curling. They use additional sets there as well.
http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/26/15/67/5823954/3/628x471.jpg
http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/26/15/67/5823957/3/628x471.jpg

Also from North America here is the set in Sochi being used by Canada's CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation)
http://www.newscaststudio.com//wp-content/gallery/cbc-sochi-olympics/sochi_cbc_0.jpg
http://www.newscaststudio.com//wp-content/gallery/cbc-sochi-olympics/sochi_cbc_2.jpg
http://www.newscaststudio.com//wp-content/gallery/cbc-sochi-olympics/sochi_cbc_7.jpg
JO
Jon

I know it's not the fashion to like US TV Sport sets. But WOW!


Completely OTT, but way nicer than the sort of thing they had in London.
MO
Mouseboy33
See the set in action and hear NBC's familiar "Summon the Heroes" theme, created by composer John Williams (ET, Jaws, Star Wars, Etc.)

If you've never heard the full theme its been used on American Olympics broadcasts for decades across several channels most notably NBC. Its proper goosebump-inducing stuff at minute 2.50. It wouldnt be a Summer or Winter Olympics with out "Summon the Heroes". Have a listen

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