When you see A .... Presentation, for example An HTV Presentation, what does it mean? Does it mean that HTV have brought the show to the ITV network or does any broadcaster just slap it on at the end?
The reason being because in Wales, Home & Away used to be An HTV Presentation.
I think all the ITV companies used to that, well they did in YTV/TTTV land!
BB
BringBackThames
It's not a HTV Presentation, well not for me anyway - I'm in London! A presentation is where the network as a whole chip in for a foreign programme like Home & Away. However, as they all chipped in they can't have Thames say taking all the credit so the arrangement is that in each region each individual company will mark it as their own.
Therefore, in Wales you'd get A HTV Presentation or for me in London A Thames Television Presentation. However remember that in the days where the production slides were A Thames Television Production for ITV that there is no A Thames Television Presentation for ITV afaik. Presumably this would only occur if Thames had bought the rights to a foreign programme on its own.
I think local programmes were A Thames Television Production without the for ITV bit.
A long, rambly explanation but you get the point!
(Edited by BringBackThames at 1:42 pm on Jan. 4, 2002)
Before the current [i t v] was introduced, every programme on ITV had a caption at the end. If it was commissioned by ITV, it would have 'A --- Production for ITV' at the end. If it wasn't (more often than not foreign programmes such as Home and Away), you would have 'Presentation' in each region.
Local programmes would have 'A --- Programme' I think.
BB
BringBackThames
I just had a thought regarding the ITV generic look of 1989. Wouldn't it have been better to have kept the regional idents for each company and just use the ITV generic idents as pre-programme idents. So a continuity link would go:
Adverts
Trailer
Regional Ident
(dun-daa-da-daa-daaa-dieedly-daa-dieedly-dun-dun-daaa)
IVC
'Hello, and welcome to Wednesday's programmes here on Thames. In half an hour World in Action reports from Jerusalem, but before that we go to Weatherfield and Coronation Street.'
Granada ITV ident
(too long to type out the tune for!)
Programme
Aswell as this the ITV ident could be a buffer incase of overruns. What does everyone think?
MB
Mark B
The policy of the use of the word 'Presentation' until 1994 was that any programme shown on your region that is not MADE by your region, or an ITV company, could have a '[Your Region] Presentation' slide at the end.
If an ITV company commissioned a show for use on the entire network, the slide '[Buying Company] Presentation' would be shown, and from 1989 with 'FOR ITV' underneath.
Example: Jeeves & Wooster - A Picture Partnership / Carnival Films Production... then... 'A Granada PRESENTATION for ITV'. i.e. Granada had the exclusive rights to the programme, having commissioned (and therefore, paid) for it, but didn't make it.
A 'Presentation for ITV' is technically defined as a programme for which the 'Presenting Company' owns the copyright.
LWT used to own the copyright for Agatha Christie's Poirot with David Suchet, and the show was 'An LWT Presentation for ITV'. But, when Carnival Films started making episodes freelance, it became 'An LWT Programme for ITV', meaning LWT secured exclusive rights for taking to ITV Network Centre for network approval.
LWT, and some other firms (YTV for instance) started making programmes under subsidiary companies - LWTP for one, and such shows would have a '[Company] PROGRAMME for ITV' slide. ie., as 'PRESENTATION', but was made by a company associated with the one depicted.
Then, in 1997 when itv came in, it was all change. Presentation slides were not officially to be shown, Production slides are only to be used when a programme is actually MADE by an ITV company. The reason for this is that ANY company can now submit programmes to ITV Network directly. They DON'T have to make it 'FOR' an ITV franchisee. Remember The Bill used to have to make the programme 'FOR' Yorkshire Television, but now they make it directly for ITV (although the FOR ITV bit is now no longer needed). In fact, THAMES don't use the word PRESENTATION, PRODUCTION or anything anyway. Just 'THAMES - A xxx Company'.
TE
TELEVISION SOUTHWEST
Whats with the new end graphics on ITN news /...................sorry ITV news.
I always used to wonder about the mysterious endcap on the chart show which was ' A Yorkshire presentation for ITV' when it was usually ' A Yorkshire production for ITV' on programmes such as emmeradale, and 'A yorkshire presentaion' on imports and films. Strange. I always used fo find the 'LWTP production' endcap followed by 'An LWT programme for ITV' strange, as well as the 'CARLTON UK production' endcap followed by 'A Central programme for ITV'.
The presentation slide was, of course, entirely voluntary, and was mainly there to soak up any extra few seconds needed to make the imported programme last the correct time.
Tyne Tees (before 1993) never had one. If they had to finish a film before the end credits had finished due to time constraints, they had a 'THE END' slide but that was about it.
It was quite amusing when YTV imposed the TTTV Presentation slide on Tyne Tees' continuity. They didn't have one, and for weeks we had to make do with 'A Tyne Tees Presentation For IT= // (c) MCMXCII' as that was the nearest they had. So TTTV were claiming copyright for foreign programmes, and implying they were for the whole network.....
As far as I know, the theory goes...
'An XYZ Production for ITV', XYZ made the programme
'An XYZ Presentation for ITV', XYZ bought the programme to be networked
