Doctor Who - Discussions on Season 5 onwards

... with the bust of Queen Vic from the pub.

Ooops, wrong thread.

Wouldn't surprise me... everyone's been knocked off with that nowadays!

I found it rather dull, and lifeless, such a shame for David to go out with such a poor story line.

Isn't that just an in-built flaw of Sci-fi though? Unlike conventional dramas, literally anything can happen (especially where time travel is involved) and often many of those infinate resolutions are played out in the minds of fans and on message boards, which frequently leads to the build up being far greater than the conclusion. Not always mind, but a lot of the time.

I see you're point, but too often it's 'oooh, I'll just connect this X to Y and reset it'. I want something clever, like 'Blink' or 'Midnight' - where the climax is slightly more sophisticated than the sort of story I was really excited about writing when I was 10, before I realised I had no idea how to end it.

Was it supposed to be funny? It made me laugh but I think it was unintentional.

What a load of self-important nonsense.

The word your looking for is 'Narm' or something that is inteded to be serious but comes off funny.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Narm

liked in dr who injoke in 'my family' where Zoe Wannamaker's character hasn't aged in 30 years due to regular moisturings

Oh yeah, of course. But the major difference between say Blink or Midnight and The End of Time (and indeed every season finale since 2005) is that the former two are single episodes, whilst the latter are two parters, as such the element of the end of the world cliffhanger comes into play, and any sort of resolution will seem a cop out to some corners of fandom because you've had a week inbetween to think about it. Blink and Midnight could never really have worked as well as two parters - given a week I think the majority of the population could have guessed to make the angels look at each other - but in a single episode it really works.

I do see your point though, and have thought about it a lot before - if anything last night highlighted how utterly ridiculous the series 3 finale was for those that were on the fence about it - so I'm not saying RTD is perfect. However I think a lot of the time the laws of Sci-fi will mean any cliffhanger being resolved will be a let down to most.

I thought it was alright, not perfect by any means but enjoyable enough, glad I taped it though, had to watch the DVD back again to see if I had missed a few things, which didn't make sense. It was certainly better on second viewing.

To be fair if you look back through Who's history, most of the final stories are a bit hit & miss

1st Doctor - Tenth Planet, the best episode of the lot is missing, although not a bad story it's nothing spectacular & can drag a bit.

2nd Doctor - The War Games, one of the few exceptions for me, although a couple of the middle episodes are padded, however the final episode makes up for it all.

3rd Doctor - Planet Of The Spiders, one of the most padded of the lot, although I like the car>Gyro-copter> Hovercraft >speed boat chase, it doesn't half drag at times, although Pertwee's final words are quite sad.

4th Doctor - Logopolis, don't mind it but Jesus does it drag, some nice moments but it's more of a limp than a triumphant end for The Doctor, again the last episode is the best.

5th Doctor - Caves Of Androzani, another exception for me, grim, fast pace, well directed & a great send off Davison's Doctor.

6th Doctor - well its hard to say, technically The Ultimate Foe Part 2 (Trial Of A Time Lord Part 14) is his last on screen appearance, however the 6th Doctor regenerates at the start of Time & The Rani, as played by Sylvester McCoy, his fate? By the looks of it he's fallen off the exercise bike & hit his head on the console, poor end to a great Doctor IMO.

7th Doctor - The TV Movie, get's shot by "gangsters" in America, still clinging on to life before dieing at the hands of Dr Grace Holloway after she tries to operate on him & discovers he's not human, perhaps one of McCoy's better scenes

8th Doctor - technically, via audio, he's still a "current" Doctor as Big Finish haven't/aren't allowed to record any stories with the 9th & 10th Doctors, plus IIRC they aren't allowed to record any regeneration stories. However it's more or less implied during 9th/10th's reign that he had to end the time war & comments in Rose about his ears suggest that it's the first time he's seen his new appearance & that he has recently regenerated.

9th Doctor - The Parting Of Ways, this story divides some as some really like it & others think it's a poor send of, personally I think it's a good end for a short lived & excellent Doctor.

So on the whole, the majority of the final stories aren't that good so this is nothing new really

Where does it say that he's "just regenerated for the first time"... I don't remember that bit.

If that's the case, and that is how it has been worded... was that RTD implying that Eccleston was ressurected as The Doctor, allowing him a whole new 13 lives? A bit like The Master implied on the phone.

If so, then McGann was killed before he had chance to regenerate... possibly...

I think the implication in 'Rose' was that he had just regenerated. It wasn't implied that it was for the first time.