NJ
Disney Club started in the Sunday 9:25am slot. It only overlapped the 9:25am switchover and became part of GMTV after 1993. Didn't it ultimately run until between 10am-10:30am after 1993 I seem to remember?
The break prior to 9:25am when the show straddled the time was for that reason, to cover up the transmitter switch. If you saw this on a YouTube video you wouldn't have had the major picture roll you see on those on an actual TV at the time, as they're more tolerant of it, You may have spotted a slight twitch (not on a blank screen obviously!) but that would have been it. VCRs can't cope and freak out, hence picture roll/distortion on the recording.
Neil Jones
Founding member
One thing I always remember was the Disney Club was an usual show is that it began during GMTV, but ran until after it, there'd always be an advert break just before 9:25, then you'd get the picture roll of the switch from GMTV to the ITV region just before the start of another part (there used to be a video of this on YouTube, but it seems to have gone now). Must be the only programme to run that way. Though of course the Disney Club pre-dated GMTV, so maybe the show running outside of GMTV was a holdover from then.
Disney Club started in the Sunday 9:25am slot. It only overlapped the 9:25am switchover and became part of GMTV after 1993. Didn't it ultimately run until between 10am-10:30am after 1993 I seem to remember?
The break prior to 9:25am when the show straddled the time was for that reason, to cover up the transmitter switch. If you saw this on a YouTube video you wouldn't have had the major picture roll you see on those on an actual TV at the time, as they're more tolerant of it, You may have spotted a slight twitch (not on a blank screen obviously!) but that would have been it. VCRs can't cope and freak out, hence picture roll/distortion on the recording.
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A former member
Had to double check, from September 93 it was slipt in two, with Disney adventures taking the 8am to 9,25 slot with Disney club being 09.25 to 10.45?
In 1994 the series was moved back to cross 09.25. But again later it was spilt again. Around this time.GMTV was in trouble a lot with the regulators.I
In 1994 the series was moved back to cross 09.25. But again later it was spilt again. Around this time.GMTV was in trouble a lot with the regulators.I
BU
Although a one-off, the extended Good Morning Britain on the day after the general election this year worked that way. The first 3'25" was fully sold by ITV Breakfast, the last 35-40 minutes of breaks were sold and transmitted by the full network.
One thing I always remember was the Disney Club was an usual show is that it began during GMTV, but ran until after it, there'd always be an advert break just before 9:25, then you'd get the picture roll of the switch from GMTV to the ITV region just before the start of another part (there used to be a video of this on YouTube, but it seems to have gone now). Must be the only programme to run that way. Though of course the Disney Club pre-dated GMTV, so maybe the show running outside of GMTV was a holdover from then.
Although a one-off, the extended Good Morning Britain on the day after the general election this year worked that way. The first 3'25" was fully sold by ITV Breakfast, the last 35-40 minutes of breaks were sold and transmitted by the full network.
NJ
Neil Jones
Founding member
Actually that being said, when ITV had Formula 1 coverage, and they were covering races from the likes of Japan, Australia etc, they started or ran into UK times like 6am, 7am etc, eating into the then GMTV's allocation, and at least once in the however many years ITV were covering F1, GMTV wasn't shown at all (in its regular 6am-9:25am slot) because of it. The time was made up later by letting GMTV run after it on Sunday, or by extending its "slot" (even though it technically wasn't a slot) on a non race weekend.
Of course the reason for the 9:25am changeover time was lost in the late 1980s and since then, it sorts of hangs around in the schedule for legacy reasons.
Of course the reason for the 9:25am changeover time was lost in the late 1980s and since then, it sorts of hangs around in the schedule for legacy reasons.
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A former member
Was it not Extra diggin it? something like that showing back to back Power rangers until 11am on morning.
SW
I know, and I have no idea why they continue to persist with the 9.25 junction, it's such an eccentric time and you would have assumed they would have at least rounded it down to 9.30. As you say, it stopped having an actual reason, to allow the regions to start up before the schools programmes, in 1987.
The Disney Club case was a very strange one, of course it started back in 1989 but then bridged the GMTV gap from March 1993. It was part of a revamp of the weekend schedules on the station and Sundays certainly needed sorting out because before that it has been a really bizarre mix where you had Timeshift, the review of the week with signing, at 6am, then Parkin's Posse, Simon Parkin introducing cartoons, at 6.30, then Sunday Best, the Sunday GMTV, at 7.20 and Count Duckula at 8.55, so you were going from programmes for adults to kids to adults to kids. In the revamp in March they put all the kids shows together from 8am and co-opted The Disney Club into it, which they could do of course because Disney and Scottish were shareholders in GMTV.
I remember in the summer of 1993, though, they had Disney Club Summer Holidays entirely within GMTV, which was the Disney Club presenters just linking cartoons. And then after that it seemed to fluctuate all over the place, sometimes Disney Club would only be on ITV and there would be a different Disney-themed programme on GMTV before it, whereas other times Disney Club would run straight through from 8am to after ten o'clock. I do remember, though, that the bit in GMTV was almost always a separate "show", based mostly around cartoons and Flipper Forrester on location somewhere, whereas the bit on ITV was studio-based with bands and games and stuff.
The other rather odd thing I remember about The Disney Club, although I only ever watched it when there was no CBBC because of the Open University, was that they chopped the end credits off the cartoons, but then ran them before the programme's end credits, even though there were a million names in them and they scrolled at a million miles an hour. Typing them all up seems a massive amount of effort for little reward. You can see it here...
Note also it's a Conor "SMTV" McAnaly production. I also remember that during the summer, for at least the first few years, when it was off air ITV replaced it with syndicated Disney compilations and films, split into two parts across two weeks.
The other thing about Sunday mornings on ITV was that in the autumn of 1992, just as TVam were winding down, they started repeating episodes of Wacaday from 1987, not bothering to edit out any of the references to writing in, and regardless of the fact they made very little sense out of context. I'm sure they used to say what day it was quite frequently. I suppose it's quite remarkable they even had recordings of them. Anyway, inevitably I watched them every week because it was quite exciting to see "old" programmes, ie five years old. I'm not sure today's kids would be so spellbound by programmes from 2010.
Of course the reason for the 9:25am changeover time was lost in the late 1980s and since then, it sorts of hangs around in the schedule for legacy reasons.
I know, and I have no idea why they continue to persist with the 9.25 junction, it's such an eccentric time and you would have assumed they would have at least rounded it down to 9.30. As you say, it stopped having an actual reason, to allow the regions to start up before the schools programmes, in 1987.
The Disney Club case was a very strange one, of course it started back in 1989 but then bridged the GMTV gap from March 1993. It was part of a revamp of the weekend schedules on the station and Sundays certainly needed sorting out because before that it has been a really bizarre mix where you had Timeshift, the review of the week with signing, at 6am, then Parkin's Posse, Simon Parkin introducing cartoons, at 6.30, then Sunday Best, the Sunday GMTV, at 7.20 and Count Duckula at 8.55, so you were going from programmes for adults to kids to adults to kids. In the revamp in March they put all the kids shows together from 8am and co-opted The Disney Club into it, which they could do of course because Disney and Scottish were shareholders in GMTV.
I remember in the summer of 1993, though, they had Disney Club Summer Holidays entirely within GMTV, which was the Disney Club presenters just linking cartoons. And then after that it seemed to fluctuate all over the place, sometimes Disney Club would only be on ITV and there would be a different Disney-themed programme on GMTV before it, whereas other times Disney Club would run straight through from 8am to after ten o'clock. I do remember, though, that the bit in GMTV was almost always a separate "show", based mostly around cartoons and Flipper Forrester on location somewhere, whereas the bit on ITV was studio-based with bands and games and stuff.
The other rather odd thing I remember about The Disney Club, although I only ever watched it when there was no CBBC because of the Open University, was that they chopped the end credits off the cartoons, but then ran them before the programme's end credits, even though there were a million names in them and they scrolled at a million miles an hour. Typing them all up seems a massive amount of effort for little reward. You can see it here...
Note also it's a Conor "SMTV" McAnaly production. I also remember that during the summer, for at least the first few years, when it was off air ITV replaced it with syndicated Disney compilations and films, split into two parts across two weeks.
The other thing about Sunday mornings on ITV was that in the autumn of 1992, just as TVam were winding down, they started repeating episodes of Wacaday from 1987, not bothering to edit out any of the references to writing in, and regardless of the fact they made very little sense out of context. I'm sure they used to say what day it was quite frequently. I suppose it's quite remarkable they even had recordings of them. Anyway, inevitably I watched them every week because it was quite exciting to see "old" programmes, ie five years old. I'm not sure today's kids would be so spellbound by programmes from 2010.
SW
Yeah, that might just have been some other spare room at Central rather than a proper studio, mind, or maybe because they were on twice a day they were given a bit more of a budget so they decided to spend some of it on a studio for once. It's like how they initially began in the Broom Cupboard because they didn't have the money or space to run a proper studio five days a week.
You'd have to say, they did pretty well finding enough new locations to present from so it didn't get boring over two years, and kudos to the Central staff for allowing them to film pretty much everywhere.
It reminds me a bit of something they did on CBBC which I'd love to see again, which is when they moved Broom Cupboards in 1988 - physically they did actually move, they swapped round the BBC1 and BBC2 Broom Cupboards - and it was sold on air as them being evicted from the old one, which they did on Friday afternoon, and then on the Monday Andy Crane presented all the links from all around TV Centre, I remember the first one was from the scenery lift, before they "found" the new Broom Cupboard at 5.35. Used to love things like that. I was totally taken in by it all.
Which is out there on You Tube and probably the only time these words were ever seen on screen
I wouldn't be surprised if that was a programme made for US TV - given it was presented by Dan Akroyd - and Stonewall's job was just to top and tail it for British consumption.
They did have some sort of a studio on Summer Mornings, but all it really was just a few walls with some sun cutouts and artwork sent in plastered all over it, and a couple of bean bags.
Yeah, that might just have been some other spare room at Central rather than a proper studio, mind, or maybe because they were on twice a day they were given a bit more of a budget so they decided to spend some of it on a studio for once. It's like how they initially began in the Broom Cupboard because they didn't have the money or space to run a proper studio five days a week.
You'd have to say, they did pretty well finding enough new locations to present from so it didn't get boring over two years, and kudos to the Central staff for allowing them to film pretty much everywhere.
It reminds me a bit of something they did on CBBC which I'd love to see again, which is when they moved Broom Cupboards in 1988 - physically they did actually move, they swapped round the BBC1 and BBC2 Broom Cupboards - and it was sold on air as them being evicted from the old one, which they did on Friday afternoon, and then on the Monday Andy Crane presented all the links from all around TV Centre, I remember the first one was from the scenery lift, before they "found" the new Broom Cupboard at 5.35. Used to love things like that. I was totally taken in by it all.
Apparently the only other thing Stonewall did was this Ghostbusters documentary, made to air on CITV.
Which is out there on You Tube and probably the only time these words were ever seen on screen
I wouldn't be surprised if that was a programme made for US TV - given it was presented by Dan Akroyd - and Stonewall's job was just to top and tail it for British consumption.
VM
It's only in recent years that the 9.25 handover has been virtually unnoticeable on screen - after Diggit there would still be an ad break followed by the GMTV 'See You Tomorrow 6-9.25am' ident. Then the CITV spider animation (although really it's a rollercoaster) into SM:TV.
Something that they always used to do during SM:TV is have the CiTV DOG on screen, but different to usual, with a spiked design. Thanks to the internet I later learned this was because the 1998 CiTV look used that logo on the weekends with this special animation (see below). By the time I started watching CiTV/SM:TV they had moved on to the light-blue-background look, yet SM:TV persisted with the DOG for years afterward. Weirdly (to me at least) CD:UK had their own DOG even though it was just a continuation of SM:TV.
You can see virtually all the things I'm talking about in this video (GMTV slide, CiTV spider ident albeit from dark-blue-background era, CiTV spiked DOG)
And here's the old weekend ident that the DOG presumably came from
Something that they always used to do during SM:TV is have the CiTV DOG on screen, but different to usual, with a spiked design. Thanks to the internet I later learned this was because the 1998 CiTV look used that logo on the weekends with this special animation (see below). By the time I started watching CiTV/SM:TV they had moved on to the light-blue-background look, yet SM:TV persisted with the DOG for years afterward. Weirdly (to me at least) CD:UK had their own DOG even though it was just a continuation of SM:TV.
You can see virtually all the things I'm talking about in this video (GMTV slide, CiTV spider ident albeit from dark-blue-background era, CiTV spiked DOG)
And here's the old weekend ident that the DOG presumably came from
NJ
Why shouldn't they be recorded? It had to be anyway in case of complaints, and it would probably be cheaper from TV-AM's point of view to re-run an old Wacaday than pay Timmy Mallett to hold together a new episode, and I've always wondered how expensive the on-location footage of Wacaday cost to record for a one-off airing. To repeat it would get better value.
As to the archive programming thing, CBBC repeated recently the last series of Raven from 2010, and the spin-off between Raven Series 9 and 10, Dragon's Eye and they date from 2010 and 2009 respectively. They also aired Big Kids, originally made in 2000 and was still being aired as late as 2009.
Nickelodeon and Disney Channel air their older programmes on occasion, most of which isn't even in Widescreen.
Neil Jones
Founding member
The other thing about Sunday mornings on ITV was that in the autumn of 1992, just as TVam were winding down, they started repeating episodes of Wacaday from 1987, not bothering to edit out any of the references to writing in, and regardless of the fact they made very little sense out of context. I'm sure they used to say what day it was quite frequently. I suppose it's quite remarkable they even had recordings of them. Anyway, inevitably I watched them every week because it was quite exciting to see "old" programmes, ie five years old. I'm not sure today's kids would be so spellbound by programmes from 2010.
Why shouldn't they be recorded? It had to be anyway in case of complaints, and it would probably be cheaper from TV-AM's point of view to re-run an old Wacaday than pay Timmy Mallett to hold together a new episode, and I've always wondered how expensive the on-location footage of Wacaday cost to record for a one-off airing. To repeat it would get better value.
As to the archive programming thing, CBBC repeated recently the last series of Raven from 2010, and the spin-off between Raven Series 9 and 10, Dragon's Eye and they date from 2010 and 2009 respectively. They also aired Big Kids, originally made in 2000 and was still being aired as late as 2009.
Nickelodeon and Disney Channel air their older programmes on occasion, most of which isn't even in Widescreen.
JA
Not sure why anyone would think it's suprising that they'd be recording and archiving Wacaday- this was the 80s and 90s, not the 60s and 70s! The vast majority of TV-am's output of all kinds exists anyway, at one time Moving Image used to sell it to the public for a price (maybe they still do!). TV-am was past the point of companies routinely wiping/not recording output anyway.